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Another Disruptive Passenger

Old 22nd Jun 2019, 21:15
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Another Disruptive Passenger

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-48732642

Only a few thousand pounds of the defence budget gone.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 21:53
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Originally Posted by Herod View Post
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-48732642

Only a few thousand pounds of the defence budget gone.
A few? A hundred grand at least, surely? Plus a tanker reportedly involved. Makes my blood pressure soar well above its already unhealthy average level.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 22:12
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A few? A hundred grand at least, surely? Plus a tanker reportedly involved. Makes my blood pressure soar well above its already unhealthy average level.
You'd hope that if they weren't doing that, they'd be doing other great training exercises. So maybe net cost to uk defence budget negligible.

With you on the blood pressure though. Cost to everyone on the flight, wasted fuel, f/a stress of dealing with worse than the usual class of idiot.

Military escort suggests security issue, so perhaps stress to all pax and crew as well thinking that they might not make it home.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 22:27
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You'd hope that if they weren't doing that, they'd be doing other great training exercises. So maybe net cost to uk defence budget negligible..
Best guess is you're probably right..if it is now as it was "back in the day" the crew ( ground and aircrew) would have been in the Q shed anyway, and they can possibly put ticks in a few training boxes and also get a few hours in towards the Wing Commander's DFC as a result of the scramble so I reckon the overall cost would be pretty small.

That said I'm still all for throwing the book and bookcase at the disruptive passenger.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 22:30
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/935360...terror-hijack/

The Good Old British Press has now moved to hijack mode!!
When the Daily M--l gets it all passengers will have been doomed!

Appears to have been the Titan Airways A321 currently with Jet2
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That said I'm still all for throwing the book and bookcase at the disruptive passenger.
They rarely seem to get the book thrown at them never mind the full bookcase, unfortunately. Does anyone know if the operators share a no-fly list of these tw#ts?
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 22:57
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Originally Posted by Herod View Post
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-48732642

Only a few thousand pounds of the defence budget gone.
.. Which if we had a government with cojones would be removed from the offending passenger's bank account or retrieved through asset confiscation forthwith.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 23:00
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 23:36
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There was a time when the Royal Air Force scrambled fighters to face real foes, not flying busloads of scr0tes.

Maybe I'll have calmed down in the morning, but I doubt it. I have visions of the culprit eventually dining out on her notoriety. 😬
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Hello all long time lurker on the forum and nervous SLF rather than professional aviator. Work as A&E Doctor and have CRM type interests...

Can anyone explain why a fighter jet helps deal with an unruly passenger - according to daily mail she was restrained by 6 other passengers/crew, pictures show a smallish Lady on the floor. What does a fighter jet do to help?
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 02:27
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Originally Posted by _drjim_ View Post
Hello all long time lurker on the forum and nervous SLF rather than professional aviator. Work as A&E Doctor and have CRM type interests...

Can anyone explain why a fighter jet helps deal with an unruly passenger - according to daily mail she was restrained by 6 other passengers/crew, pictures show a smallish Lady on the floor. What does a fighter jet do to help?
I believe they will shoot down the aircraft if it is judged to be a danger to people on the ground.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 02:50
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I believe they will shoot down the aircraft if it is judged to be a danger to people on the ground.
Thus everyone on the plane ending up dead--so it's not obvious to me why a pilot would request this--unless it was something like a terrorist with a bomb...
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 02:59
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Originally Posted by _drjim_ View Post
Hello all long time lurker on the forum and nervous SLF rather than professional aviator. Work as A&E Doctor and have CRM type interests...

Can anyone explain why a fighter jet helps deal with an unruly passenger - according to daily mail she was restrained by 6 other passengers/crew, pictures show a smallish Lady on the floor. What does a fighter jet do to help?
it doesnít frankly. And more likely a government reaction. During 9/11 we were met by National Guard aircraft and escorted to Fairbanks AK. Which did nothing other than put the [email protected] up the pax. Iím pretty sure theyíd have splashed us if weíd deviated in the slightest from their instructions. For good reason on that occasion. Canít see how it helped with this other than peeing away more of the budget. ĎN
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 03:32
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Originally Posted by _drjim_ View Post
Hello all long time lurker on the forum and nervous SLF rather than professional aviator. Work as A&E Doctor and have CRM type interests...

Can anyone explain why a fighter jet helps deal with an unruly passenger - according to daily mail she was restrained by 6 other passengers/crew, pictures show a smallish Lady on the floor. What does a fighter jet do to help?
Because they need to be sure it is not an attempt to hijack aircraft, rather than just an unruly passenger.
ATC were not to know the exact situation in cabin.
One report said pilot in radio message said “cockpit secure”, which presumably rather than reassure ATC made them feel cockpit breach had been attempted. Further reports say passenger rushed at cockpit door before restrained.
Not saying she attempted to hijack, but ATC are playing it safe.
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How can a fighter escort mitigate a disruptive pax?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/jet2-stansted-raf-jets-sonic-boom-typhoon-qra-a8970716.htm

Genuine question from a pax - how does a fighter escort help resolve a disruptive passenger situation?
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 07:54
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The security services on the ground donít necessarily know that itís just some chav whos had too much too drink.
They may well have to assume itís an attempt at a breach of the flight deck, and since 9/11, do you really need it spelling out as to why the typhoons are there?
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 08:17
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What is it with all these diversions for disruptive pax - ?
It's daily!!
Not just on flights to/from UK but it seems to be occurring all over.

In my aviation career from almost 50 years ago we never had one diversion for any such behaviour - Such pax would never have got to the aircraft door in my day, or if they got messy on board then the no. 1 CC held short shift with anyone misbehaving...

And I think we experienced maybe one medical diversion in all that time - now that too is a daily occurrence with sick pax
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 08:28
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Can anyone explain why a fighter jet helps deal with an unruly passenger - according to daily mail she was restrained by 6 other passengers/crew, pictures show a smallish Lady on the floor. What does a fighter jet do to help?
Kill it if it becomes a threat to people on the ground. It probably wonít but history suggests it could.
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 09:14
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I'm guessing that the RAF wanted an excuse to test out their reaction time and had a word with air traffic for a heads up next time there was a minor incident such as yesterday,

I used to rely on gate staff, handling agents and cabin crew to screen these idiots from boarding. If there was any doubt then they would not be carried on my aircraft. Problem lies in the availability of booze 24/7 allied to the fact that the first thing the airlines do is offer passengers alcohol regardless of the time of day. I never had to divert for unruly pax but on numerous occasions I made sure that they were met with friendly local police whose modus operandi may not have been quite as politically correct as in the UK !
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Old 23rd Jun 2019, 10:07
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Originally Posted by 3Greens View Post
The security services on the ground donít necessarily know that itís just some chav whos had too much too drink.
They may well have to assume itís an attempt at a breach of the flight deck, and since 9/11, do you really need it spelling out as to why the typhoons are there?
Are you arguing that a disruptive passenger, acting alone, is going to be able to breach the reinforced flight deck door and gain access? Sorry, I don't buy that.
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