Challenger 600 series down in Mexico
 

Our Nine news, via CNN, is reporting a Challenger private jet with 13 aboard down in Mexico. I do not know how to post a link, so if someone can help out.
Aircraft looks like it was burnt out on the ground rather than an impact event. No visible debris trail, tracks, or crater.
Fate of passengers and crew unknown at this time.

just noticed - already reported in Biz jets forum.

Sadly, the fate of the passengers and crew is known: https://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-f...ng-mexico.html

CL-601 N601VH en route LAS-MTY.

RIP all on board her.

Looks like it pancaked. According to Flight Aware they were passing around some weather at FL410 and the data ends at this altitude. Lightning strike followed but an AF447 scenario?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombar...ger_600_series
Is there something wrong with the Challenger jets or are they in the news more simply because there are more of them around?

Thirty-year-old CL-600-2B16 (i.e. Challenger 601-3A) operated by Gama Aviation, returning to its Monterrey base with a boxing charter group after the Alvarez/Jacobs fight in Las Vegas.

The Biz Jets forum discussion on this loss is here.
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19 hull losses out of 1066 built = 1.9%. Over 41 years.

No consistent cause - everything from failure to de-ice to W&B error to upset by an A380 wake to bounced landing to test flights.

It does use a supercritical wing, which has - unusual - stall characteristics, and may be a factor in this particular accident. Might (emphasize might) have been a contributing factor in the Dick Ebersol failure-to-de-ice accident in Colorado.

It's also the basis for the CRJ 100-200 designs, and again, accident causes with those seem to be all over the map, not due to any particular problem.

Does lightning go up towards clear air or down towards the ground or another cloud?

The cause of the 2018 crash of TC-TRB in Iran is known. They had unreliable airspeed and the captain thought they were overspeeding and pulled the power back into a stall.

See: https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20180311-0

The preliminary accident report is here:

https://www.cao.ir/web/english/inves...FmY1hnPT0=.pdf

you can tell english isn't his native language, cut him some slack.

Why were the captains qualifications questionable? She had almost 5000hrs, 1600 on type and passed her check rides at CAE in the Netherlands, that all sounds reasonably qualified (and yes, she undeniably messed up big time on the last flight). I would not be surprised if they were selected based on gender, but that alone does not make them unqualified. Having to defend a female pilot is hard when the accident is clearly a result of her errors, but I have yet to see a study that shows female pilots are more accident prone then their male counterparts. Using terms like lady-pilots is not helpful in anyway, so no, I don't understand.
And correct me if I am wrong, but your ending of your first post suggests to me you might not be totally okay with equal rights.

I think the engines flamed out because of high AOA

IF someone is employed because of his/her gender, then one could hardly call this equal rights. Even if the leftwingers and/or feminists say so, its not.

You are absolutely right, and the whole preferential hiring thing is a can of worms that is hard to solve. As a left-winger/ feminist myself I have no problem with hiring QUALIFIED "minorities" to rectify the obvious discrimination they have endured in the past, but I can see it offends the sensibilities of the WASP (White Anglo Saxon Pilots) population to the point they get their panties in a twist.

https://www.newsweek.com/pilot-ignor...-1421996?amp=1

So your example for WASP pilots having twisted panties is:

who had "history" and clearly some other issues than being a WASP:

Particularly 'nice' is :

So if I´m, say, 22, male and just had my license finished and I compete with a 22 year old female with an equally fresh license and she gets hired because OTHER males in the PAST have treated OTHER females bad / wrongly (exchange female with any minority if you wish) then you are fine with that ?

Are you one of these individuals who think racism and prejudice is only possible to origin from white persons, particularly white men ?

<A> Yes, I have no problem provided equally qualified.

<B> Nope, as a white guy who has lived and experienced discrimination by non-white in both Asia and Africa I can confirm most people are capable of racism. The issue at hand is however the historical discrimination against non-white-male-pilots.

Plus 1. Some of us (including me) were sort of off topic. Apologies.

Equality will come when we start remarking on the gender of every male crew that turn their aircraft into a hole in the ground/water. There have been a lot more of them. :ugh:

AF447 - "The FO-gentleman held the stick in a stall for 30000 feet....."

JT904 - "The testosterone-laced male crew continued the approach even after losing visual contact with the runway, and ended up in the ocean....."

Is this story related to this crash?

Borderland Beat: Pilot of plane that crashed in Coahuila, involved in money laundering and transfer of drugs

Add me, apologies