787 bounce
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Is that a boing 787?
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Assuming the invisible link is a reference to the BA B788 at LHR yesterday, try Spectators Balcony here:
PPRuNe: Anyone know this pilot? Buy him a pint! |
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It looked like a well handled go around and was appropriate given the conditions. |
Looks like full elevator input as the nose dropped. That was some ugly shear.
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Originally Posted by jurassicjockey
(Post 10385045)
Looks like full elevator input as the nose dropped. That was some ugly shear.
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That looks a bit crazy. Why would windshear suddenly pitch the nose down so abruptly? Fair enough the @rse drops out of it if you lose speed, but that was a violent pitch down. That was not the secondary effect of controls lowering the nose because the speed has reduced. Something fishy somewhere. Reminds me a bit of that Prune 787 (IIRC) video of weird nose down pitches on short final. Brother of MACS??
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...?highlight=787 |
Originally Posted by Jet Jockey A4
(Post 10385049)
Yes I noticed that too in the picture from the BBC link... Personally I think they did a great job recuperating from the event and the go-around was the right decision.
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Originally Posted by jurassicjockey
(Post 10385045)
Looks like full elevator input as the nose dropped. That was some ugly shear.
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Looks to me like he should have gone around rather earlier rather than try to save an approach that had clearly gone wrong.
But he was there and I was not so what do I know......... |
Originally Posted by jimjim1
(Post 10385037)
Didn't think to check for invisible link.
Clearly, they should have should have tootled around the coast a bit before diverting to MAN. :} |
Looks to me like he should have gone around rather earlier rather than try to save an approach that had clearly gone wrong. |
Originally Posted by CHfour
(Post 10385105)
True but there was a large down elevator input just before the nose pitched down.
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As per the previous poster, the elevator is completely obscured until the pitch up input. It looks like a really nasty shear late on with an excellent catch and well flown windshear go around, hence the gear staying down. Nice job, stay safe out there. |
Reminds me of an incident easyJet had with an Airbus going in to Luton. FO under training for the left hand seat had a brain melt and stuffed the nose forward at low level. Not saying this is the case, but can’t be ruled out.... |
Jeepers....I thought the NFL season finished last weekend and in any event it isn’t Monday for a couple of days..... :oh: |
Approach in gusty conditions, wind does weird things! ****e got real very low level... Go around, perfectly executed! |
Windshear?
Or gust? Big difference! Does anyone have the Metar and the Tower wind when cleared to land. And any " wind check"? |
FO under training for the left hand seat had a brain melt and stuffed the nose forward at low level. Not saying this is the case, but can’t be ruled out.... |
Originally Posted by old,not bold
(Post 10385252)
Nice to have the AAIB on board, especially with such insight. But did you consider the possibility that all the passengers, seeing the problems the crew were having with gusts, decided to rush forward and advise them how to handle it? Not saying this is the case, but can’t be ruled out....
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Excellent job by the professionals sat at the front :ok: Well done to the crew. |
Perfectly flown. Last minute windshear and gone around hence the reason to leave the gear down until above MSA. |
Perfectly executed
Perfectly executed. Horrible ground level gusts at the time of this go around, excellent job done indeed. No reason to go around any earlier, all incoming flights were having very bumpy approaches at LHR most of yesterday and it would have meant all flights going around based on footage. GA started when appropriate and actually very very quickly considering the very sudden wind gust at basically ground level vs reaction time of pilot & then GA delay on aircraft.
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Originally Posted by srjumbo747
(Post 10385354)
Perfectly flown. Last minute windshear and gone around hence the reason to leave the gear down until above MSA. |
Anyone know if the aircraft has flown again yet ? Or the max g load on touchdown? Was it 27R and wind from the south ? |
Originally Posted by Locked door
(Post 10385393)
Really? You’re confusing windshear with gpws. Back to flight sim. |
Originally Posted by ManaAdaSystem
(Post 10385401)
Actually, the windshear escape manouvre calls for no configuration changes. Correct, but MSA is irrelevant for windshear escape but very relevant for gpws escape. I really wonder how many genuine commercial pilots there are on this forum. |
The windshear escape manouvre does not consider terrain, it deals with windshear only.
You make me wonder. |
M.A.S, he was picking on the MSA bit of the previous post, not the no-change of configuration. You are both on the same page.
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Originally Posted by Locked door
(Post 10385403)
/bangs head against brick wall/ Correct, but MSA is irrelevant for windshear escape but very relevant for gpws escape. I really wonder how many genuine commercial pilots there are on this forum. |
When do you think they pressed TOGA? Before first touchdown? Looked an impressive climb out, no doubt helped by the windspeed. Asking as SLF...
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Originally Posted by jurassicjockey
(Post 10385136)
I think that you're looking at the flaperons. The elevator is visually blocked by the wing except for when it goes up. There is a large amount of flaperon movement just before the * hits the wall
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As has been noted, it is difficult to see because the view is obscured by the wing, but it's almost as if the up-elevator anticipated the shear/gust. Commendably quick response on the part of the PF.
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Without making comment about this particular go-around, is it mandatory to buzz off, or can one legally push it back on?
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Originally Posted by Suvarnabhumi
(Post 10385400)
Anyone know if the aircraft has flown again yet ? |
or can one legally push it back on? |
Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs
(Post 10385549)
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Have you seen the second approach, almost did the same thing but did not go-around and landed ok.I have replayed both arrivals many times and its strange that a lot of the other arrivals around that time before & after seemed ok considering the condition.
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