Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

787 bounce

Old 9th Feb 2019, 12:14
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: On the screen in front of you
Posts: 57
787 bounce

skidbuggy is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 12:25
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Here
Posts: 599
Is that a boing 787?
jimjim1 is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 12:28
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: CYUL
Posts: 814
You mean this one...

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-47177...athrow-airport
Jet Jockey A4 is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 12:29
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Reading, UK
Posts: 10,466
Assuming the invisible link is a reference to the BA B788 at LHR yesterday, try Spectators Balcony here:

PPRuNe: Anyone know this pilot? Buy him a pint!
DaveReidUK is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 12:53
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Here
Posts: 599
Originally Posted by skidbuggy View Post
Didn't think to check for invisible link.
jimjim1 is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 12:55
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: US
Age: 61
Posts: 383
It looked like a well handled go around and was appropriate given the conditions.
Sailvi767 is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 12:59
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 62
Looks like full elevator input as the nose dropped. That was some ugly shear.
jurassicjockey is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 13:03
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: CYUL
Posts: 814
Originally Posted by jurassicjockey View Post
Looks like full elevator input as the nose dropped. That was some ugly shear.
Yes I noticed that too in the picture from the BBC link... Personally I think they did a great job recuperating from the event and the go-around was the right decision.
Jet Jockey A4 is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 13:34
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Seat 0A
Posts: 7,732
That looks a bit crazy. Why would windshear suddenly pitch the nose down so abruptly? Fair enough the @rse drops out of it if you lose speed, but that was a violent pitch down. That was not the secondary effect of controls lowering the nose because the speed has reduced. Something fishy somewhere. Reminds me a bit of that Prune 787 (IIRC) video of weird nose down pitches on short final. Brother of MACS??

ANA roller coaster
Capn Bloggs is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 13:36
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 62
Originally Posted by Jet Jockey A4 View Post
Yes I noticed that too in the picture from the BBC link... Personally I think they did a great job recuperating from the event and the go-around was the right decision.
Reminds me of flying into St. John's on a nice day
jurassicjockey is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 14:26
  #11 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: England
Posts: 102
Originally Posted by jurassicjockey View Post
Looks like full elevator input as the nose dropped. That was some ugly shear.
True but there was a large down elevator input just before the nose pitched down.
CHfour is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 14:46
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: UK
Age: 74
Posts: 1,045
Looks to me like he should have gone around rather earlier rather than try to save an approach that had clearly gone wrong.
But he was there and I was not so what do I know.........
The Ancient Geek is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 14:50
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Texas, like a whole other country
Posts: 422
Originally Posted by jimjim1 View Post
Didn't think to check for invisible link.
No one ever does. Very clever on the part of the OP.

Clearly, they should have should have tootled around the coast a bit before diverting to MAN.
Carbon Bootprint is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 14:55
  #14 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: Europe
Posts: 3,416
Looks to me like he should have gone around rather earlier rather than try to save an approach that had clearly gone wrong.
Looked quite the opposite to me! It only went "wrong" in the last seconds and they immediately took the correct action which was well executed.
Hotel Tango is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 15:09
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 62
Originally Posted by CHfour View Post
True but there was a large down elevator input just before the nose pitched down.
I think that you're looking at the flaperons. The elevator is visually blocked by the wing except for when it goes up. There is a large amount of flaperon movement just before the * hits the wall
jurassicjockey is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 15:16
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The sky
Posts: 198
As per the previous poster, the elevator is completely obscured until the pitch up input. It looks like a really nasty shear late on with an excellent catch and well flown windshear go around, hence the gear staying down.

Nice job, stay safe out there.
Locked door is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 16:56
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: UK
Posts: 350
Reminds me of an incident easyJet had with an Airbus going in to Luton. FO under training for the left hand seat had a brain melt and stuffed the nose forward at low level. Not saying this is the case, but can’t be ruled out....
Akrapovic is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 17:02
  #18 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 5,309
Jeepers....I thought the NFL season finished last weekend and in any event it isn’t Monday for a couple of days.....

wiggy is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 17:20
  #19 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Equatorial
Age: 46
Posts: 375
Approach in gusty conditions, wind does weird things!

Shite got real very low level...

Go around, perfectly executed!
Global Aviator is offline  
Old 9th Feb 2019, 17:31
  #20 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: 60 north
Age: 55
Posts: 876
Windshear?
Or gust? Big difference!
Does anyone have the Metar and the Tower wind when cleared to land. And any " wind check"?
BluSdUp is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.