Ryanair FO faints in flight
It was probably lack of food and/or water.
Ryanair should review their no-food, no-water policy with their crews. https://finance.yahoo.com/m/bad0beaa...ot-faints.html |
Maybe. Though I can't help but think he had just read his T&Cs of employment properly for the first time. |
Fainted at the sight of his new payslip? Just curious...
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think he had just read his T&Cs Fainted at the sight of his new payslip? |
Originally Posted by Evanelpus
(Post 10237441)
I can't see anything in the links which says the gender is a man.......is there something you both know?
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Originally Posted by The Range
(Post 10237380)
It was probably lack of food and/or water.
Ryanair should review their no-food, no-water policy with their crews. |
Hi
Could any of you FR24 experts dig up and post the approach and go-around track. With vertical profile.? FR 3918. All well that ends well. Good job! I do want to land ASAP if Jr passes out BUT in the 737 an unconscious pilot needs to be reStrained so not to interfere with the controls on short final and landing. On a Airbus not so much a problem,except for the feet.!? Not something you want to deal with on short final. Palermo on a dark and stormy night is not for the fainthearted , no pun intended! Again : Good Job Cpt. Safe regards Cpt B |
Originally Posted by BluSdUp
(Post 10237459)
in the 737 an unconscious pilot needs to be retrained so not to interfere with the controls on short final and landing.
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Man, a whole 3 hours without a meal, how can anyone survive that. |
Originally Posted by BluSdUp
(Post 10237459)
Hi
Could any of you FR24 experts dig up and post the approach and go-around track. With vertical profile.? FR 3918. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.gmf...6b4d150add.jpg |
Correction, new fault follows shortly. ( HQ)
Thanks Airbubba.
And many thanks Doug E, that was one of my better splelling mistakes. I am now retraining myself and correcting. Humbly Cpt b |
Originally Posted by Herod
(Post 10237497)
Where does that come from? Quite possibly it was the third or even fourth sector. It could have been seven or more hours, maybe without a coffee or even water. We don't know the facts; don't jump to conclusions.
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Lack of food is not really an issue if the person in question is otherwise healthy. However, lack of water certainly is. And depending on sequence of duty, lack of coffee or other stuff that wakes you up as well. Shouldn't happen, but i believe caffeine is mentioned in every fatigue risk training i have ever witnessed. Not as a long term solution, but to help in a pinch.
That mentioned, of course the number of possible issues that might cause someone to faint are numerous. I hope the FO in question recovered quickly and has no lasting problems over that. |
If he's incapable of bringing a packed lunch to work then he shouldn't be flying an aircraft.
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Just flew last month SOU-Verona-SOU on a Dash 8 - quite a longish sector for anyone in the prop - flying time, upto 2 hours 30 minutes
On both legs I never saw the Cabin crew once go in the FD with any drinks (or food), hot or cold - and on the way home to SOU I found that all the crew had operated down from GLA early that morning, and then were doing SOU-VRN-SOU, so a 3 sector day (not sure if positioning back, or Hotac in SOU) My point is, on these 3 sectors I knew the crew were delayed from the outset of their early start day and so then endured quick turnarounds at both SOU and then again at VRN (remote stand and 35c temps) so where was their chance to sit down relax even for 10 minutes, have a bite to eat, and a drink? The cabin crew were certainly not providing anything upfront nor checking on them in-flights. On boarding at VRN we were faced with 'sit down quick you lot, or we lose out slot' barked at us by the CC as if it was all our fault - The skipper on the other hand, was calm and apologetic and worked hard with all the agencies to get a new slot for us within 10 minutes, rather than the 3 hours possible delay which we were told on boarding could happen. So how these guys upfront (and the CC) got any sustenance and rest at anytime that day until they landed at SOU at 1525 beggars belief. (although the CC were down the back with the curtain closed for much of the flights, as there was barely any in-flight service provided) In the past on a 3 sector day like that there would have been a hot crew meal on at least two of those sectors, plus sandwiches, snacks etc wherever you wanted it or not... Any wonder why nowadays Crews are fed up, grumpy and get sick & ill...OK crew food then was often nowt to shout about but it was there, as were Pax meals to eat if any left. Airline managements sew what they reap I'm afraid. And do you really think a knackered crew member is going to make his/hers packed lunch everyday and pop it into a Tupperware box every morning at 4am when he wakes up on his 4th early? Nooooo. Come on! |
As far as no meal service, it's Karma, pax complained for years about the lousy airline meals. Now the airlines don't have complaints about the nonexistent meals , nor the expense of expensive catering and unappreciative pax.
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Originally Posted by 750XL
If he's incapable of bringing a packed lunch to work then he shouldn't be flying an aircraft.
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Yep, sign on at 0400 with your (personally made?) chicken/ham/beef/dead fish sambo for consumption at 1200. What is this, the dark ages? One thing a daily visit to Pprune does is make me appreciate what the good times were like, and how lucky I am to be retired. |
Originally Posted by Herod
(Post 10238665)
Quite apart from the fact that you probably wouldn't get it through security
One thing a daily visit to Pprune does is make me appreciate what the good times were like, and how lucky I am to be retired. That said, going without food is not any issue at all, if the person in question is otherwise healthy. However, going without anything to drink is a huge issue, or without sufficient sleep. |
I am not having a go at you sir, (rog747), because I agree with you, but some replies to your comments:
Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10238423)
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On both legs I never saw the Cabin crew once go in the FD with any drinks (or food), hot or cold............. ..................So how these guys upfront (and the CC) got any sustenance and rest at anytime that day until they landed at SOU at 1525 beggars belief. (although the CC were down the back with the curtain closed for much of the flights, as there was barely any in-flight service provided) No actual rest time, I agree, but they would eat their sandwich in the cruise. (That’s what the Autopilot is really for !) In the past on a 3 sector day like that there would have been a hot crew meal on at least two of those sectors, plus sandwiches, snacks etc wherever you wanted it or not... Any wonder why nowadays Crews are fed up, grumpy and get sick & ill...OK crew food then was often nowt to shout about but it was there, as were Pax meals to eat if any left. Airline managements sew what they reap I'm afraid. Passengers have been conditioned by the LoCos to expect to pay ridiculously low prices for a seat on an airliner. Less than other forms of transport for the equivalent distance and time. |
And you'd be lucky getting a hot meal on an aircraft that doesn't have ovens......
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LOL Thanks Uplinker - I got a bit tired by the end of my post - very kind of you to have complete empathy with me and check me out!
Regards (Like Herod, I too lament our retirement) - is that the right word? |
Originally Posted by 750XL
(Post 10238341)
If he's incapable of bringing a packed lunch to work then he shouldn't be flying an aircraft.
750, pilots like you -if you are a pilot- is the reason why the pilot profession is how it is now and keeps going down the tubes. |
Originally Posted by Capn Bloggs
(Post 10238596)
Yep, sign on at 0400 with your (personally made?) chicken/ham/beef/dead fish sambo for consumption at 1200. What is this, the dark ages?
He shouldn't have to bring his own lunch, it should be provided by the company, like in the real airlines and in the good old times. |
Why shouldn't he bring his own lunch? |
Originally Posted by arketip
(Post 10237637)
Well, is the OP that jumped to conclusions, saying that it was probably because of lack of food or water.
new base in Krakakistan, at his own expense. :eek: |
Originally Posted by Herod
(Post 10239097)
Equally, why should he have to eat at his desk?
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Whilst I strongly support the fact that all the airlines should provide proper meals to their crew, it is also true that if You do not have any food with You (forgot/left it in the car/last minute stby scramble call) and the airline does not provide it (profit baby) You have to mitigate the adverse effects of low blood sugar by buying some sort of edible junk on board together with a couple bottles of water. I know it is damn annoying and You start swearing as loud as You can but You have to do something about it anyway. By the way, is it confirmed the the poor chap fainted as a result of low blood sugar/thirst ?
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Originally Posted by 750XL
(Post 10239120)
Because it's his job :*
750XL appears to have the attitude of a former powered student pilot who couldn't go solo and as such moved to gliders. I mean no offence or disrespect to those glider aficionado who take great joy, pleasure and excel in their fine machines. I have met many like 750XL who hung around the aero club on the Sunday night bar sessions who did nothing but rubbish powered pilots because they couldn't make the grade. |
750XL appears to have the attitude of a former powered student pilot who couldn't go solo and as such moved to gliders. I mean no offence or disrespect to those glider aficionado who take great joy, pleasure and excel in their fine machines. I have met many like 750XL who hung around the aero club on the Sunday night bar sessions who did nothing but rubbish powered pilots because they couldn't make the grade. He obviously has a thing against crews getting fed, judging by his past posts. https://www.pprune.org/cabin-crew/58...ml#post9642768 This poor chap would have done well to drink a coke or two. |
Originally Posted by sonicbum
(Post 10239163)
By the way, is it confirmed the the poor chap fainted as a result of low blood sugar/thirst ?
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Originally Posted by Herod
(Post 10239097)
Equally, why should he have to eat at his desk?
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Originally Posted by Biggles78
(Post 10239278)
Just ask the train drivers where they eat their lunch and it won't be in a moving piece of machinery.
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In your airline (or any of the other better airlines) that provide food for their pilots, do the pilots get a seat and table in the back to eat or do they eat at their desk? Or do they get a break to go to the restaurant? I was once with an airline that pushed crews to the duty limit, with no food, and being a small aircraft, meaning that if you brought your own you had to eat it in front of the pax. Six sectors. We got to the stage where crews would get off after sector five, go get something to eat (we weren't unreasonable, just a sandwich and a cup of coffee) and carry on. That put us into discretion. Two crews, two discretion reports a day for two weeks. Crew food was provided. Now, let's get back to the topic. How is the F.O? |
Originally Posted by Herod
(Post 10239311)
Now, let's get back to the topic. How is the F.O?
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Do we know which sector that was? I once had to fly 2 sectors according to the roster on day 5 of earlies. Long week, lunch plans after flight, so I only took a tiny breakfast and a small bottle of water. After we landed we've been told to fly 2 more sectors to STN. Picked up a big delay there. Had no food water or money on me to buy myself stuff in the aircraft. And part of me was to proud and pissed to ask anyone for money to buy at ridiculous high prices.
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but since they don't have the opportunity to go eat elsewhere (like office workers, shop assistants etc, who get a proper break), they shouldn't have to provide their own food. |
This will give you a laugh:
Luas is a tram/light rail system in Dublin https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dubli...lunch-15094246 The issue of packed lunches for Luas drivers could lead to strike - and may end up costing the taxpayer €250,000. Siptu has told the Labour court recent work changes linked to the new Cross City Line are costing drivers money because it is more inconvenient for them to bring packed lunches to work. The trade union representing drivers said anyone starting their day in the Sandyford depot has to take their lunch in Broombridge in Cabra. This means drivers' lunches spoil because they have to carry their food with them on the Luas for hours, according to Siptu. Luas operator Transdev has offered cooler bags to tram drivers - but Siptu organiser John Murphy said the union wants Green Line drivers to be able to have their lunch at Sandyford. Transdev told the Labour Court granting this would mean hiring five new drivers at a cost of €250,000 a year. However Mr Murphy said refusal could mean that drivers will ballot on industrial action. The Labour Court said it was reasonable for a Luas driver to be asked take breaks at a different depot to where their shift started. It recommended that Transdev carry out a risk assessment to find out if the cooler bags “are capable of transporting drivers’ packed lunches safely from one depot to another”. |
Originally Posted by 750XL
(Post 10238341)
If he's incapable of bringing a packed lunch to work then he shouldn't be flying an aircraft.
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In all my years as a heavy four jet Captain the company supplied meals on board. All Concorde catering, on china plates and silver plated cutlery.
This is a ridiculous situation and one of the many reasons I quit the airlines after just four years. |
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