Just been reported on Australian TV news that the Australian copilot of the aircraft is a Qantas employee and is currently on leave without pay. That makes no sense as Qantas has no 777's. Has to be a misreport.

Nope perfectly possible, quite a few surplus QF crew went on LWOP and joined many different Airlines. Some had never flown the type they were employed on and were therefore trained. Most will come back to QF, some won't.

Simple.


Oh and it is a standard call for Military Towers in Australia to say "clear to land check wheels" the reply is "three greens" ( or whatever the type has!! )

Rumor around at Costa is that it was wake of the preceding AC combined with winds

ACMS : Yes. And if the resultant prang & slide was not anticipated by the crew, everyone did a mighty fine job of handling, instantly, the evacuation. Total praise for that last bit and all, but one, survived. Now, lining up the holes and the blame game will be noteworthy.

Slides - IIRC there was a good discussion about the issues way back when they introduced the 747 and Tripp of PanAm was worried about how people would get off

If you make them very stiff they are heavy (bad for economics) and can be dangerous to both the passengers, the fire crews and the airframe. - there is also a problem in fitting and deploying a "hard" slide.

And if you want them to double as temporary life rafts...................

No that's possible as QANTAS pilots are flying for EK on secondment. Always a better option than being made redundant.

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Interesting how little information has been released just over 24 hours after the incident.

Who are the investigating authorities ?

Emirates B777 gear collapse @ DXB?
 

Re the earlier pics of the flaps. Is it not normal to lower 40 (or more) flap during the evac drill?

Not on the 777. There are over wing slides.

Not really, the GCAA who would be responsible will follow protocol , gather information and issue an interim report when they have it. It will just state facts. Within 28 days I think and would include any essential safety recommendations.

Who is investigating?
Is this in Dubai where the temperature never exceeds 50c, the building workers are shipped out each night to camps, a foreigner is automatically guilty in a road accident, you have to pay a bribe to get a drivers licence etc etc?

Let's not hope its the locals but I am afraid it will be...

So, assuming the aircraft was experiencing a significant tailwind, had got high/fast, had the thrust back at idle and decided to do a 'normal' but rather late go-around: how long would it take for the engines to spool up enough to climb once the appropriate buttons/levers had been pressed/pushed?

I don't think anyone at present knows exactly how long it took for the fire in this incident to be extinguished. Clearly not in time to save the cabin, which judging from the haze/smoke visible in the videos available of the interior immediately after the accident may have been breached during the crash landing itself. Contrast this with the SQ event in which the cabin had not been compromised and fire crews were dousing flames within a minute from the time the aircraft stopped, based on video of the event. That same video shows that the starboard wing fire appeared to be being effectively suppressed by the fire services within 90 seconds of 'first foam'.

Might it have gone otherwise, and the fire been less easily contained? Yes, in which case presumably the AFS would have communicated this fact to the commander - no doubt continuously re-evaluating his decision not to evacuate - who could've acted accordingly.

Aussie FO on secondment from QF confirmed.

Australian co-pilot Jeremy Webb escaped Emirates plane crash in Dubai

The AIB at the state of occurrence will be in charge of the investigation, in this case the GCAA.

Now the AIB is supposed to be impartial but in the UAE it is organized under the governing body of the GCAA - This is in my opinion a problem!

In most countries the AIB is completely separated from CAA to make sure that an investigation will be conducted without pressure from the governing authority.

Who owns Emirates, who owns the GCAA and who controls the AIB?

Lets see how they can spin it!

That said Boeing, RR and probably the ATSB will be accredited to the investigation.

So how will Emirates 'buy' themselves back into ignoring a hull loss as an accident when the safety records are compiled?


In passing I note Gulf news yesterday stated "Emirates suffers first hull loss in three decade history'. And today one of their headlines read "Emirates safety record - Zero deaths in 30 years".

Emirates B777 gear collapse @ DXB ?
 

Forwarded to me from a mate who had it forwarded to him :

" My mate is with flydubai and he saw the crash live :
Yeah I was crossing runway behind it as it landed ....front row seat ... they landed hard, aborted , go around, gear up ... not enough power and it sank back into the runway .... some are saying windshear but we felt nothing. Crazy site to see ...even crazier that apparently most people survived ! I thought it was a total loss for sure.
This was on the fo group chat "



The above message was posted as it was received. I can't verify its authenticity and make of it what you will.

Finger trouble with the TOGA switches?:confused:

Sounds plausible. I do wonder if the B777 "landed with equal weight on wheels on each side, whether the spoilers auto-deployed, and whether idle reverse was selected on "touchdown"? And of course whether TOGA was selected promptly? Many unanswered questions.

As for the cabin crew, clearly they performed their job well as a team.

If you cannot tell the difference between the two incidents then I hope you are not flight deck crew.