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peekay4 17th Aug 2015 01:09

Reports that an AMA (Associated Mission Aviation) aircraft taking part in the SAR effort may have located debris thought to be TGN267 near the "Oskop waterfall" in the Bintang Mountain district, approx. 7nm from Oksibil.

(Indonesian)
Pesawat AMA temukan puing diduga Trigana di Oksop - ANTARA News

(Google Translate)
https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url

Flapwing 17th Aug 2015 02:06

Is there a published approach to WAJO?

_Phoenix 17th Aug 2015 02:54

In bad weather, the approach is quite a challenge
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TDlvpHQoj6M

peekay4 17th Aug 2015 04:17

@Flapwing

I believe small airports like Oksibil / Gunung Bintang are VFR only.

Skillsy 17th Aug 2015 08:38

An interactive map of the incident area has been created and can be found at Trigana Air Service flight TGN267

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMh2AopU8AAf4EY.png

lomapaseo 17th Aug 2015 11:27

Bad weather hampers bid to reach Indonesian plane crash site

This should produce an influx of willing local searchers on the land side

Severe Clear 17th Aug 2015 11:57

$468,000.00 cash plus on plane for poor...
 
Indonesian plane debris seen; carried 54 people, gov?t cash - The Washington Post

peekay4 17th Aug 2015 11:58

The spotted crash site was a bit west of the guestimated area, reported at 04 49.289 S 140 29.953 E, and an altitude of 8,300 ft. The chance of survivors is reported to be "very slim".

The SAR team consisting of National SAR members, police and military personnel plus local resident volunteers have been making their way to the site on foot.

However, the terrain is very difficult -- around 14 km hike in thick jungle, fog with visibility of less than 3 feet. The SAR team was not able to reach the crash site today and will resume the hike tomorrow.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/org.barkah....Interest+3.jpg

training wheels 17th Aug 2015 14:05

This is the crash site apparently;

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CMmXzBpWoAExQ7C.jpg

There's apparently 1/2 million dollars in cash somewhere down there too, being carried for a family welfare fund according to local press.

Source: Twitter

pattern_is_full 17th Aug 2015 18:08

A curiously narrow impact area for an ATR. I'd have expected to see wider tree clipping from the wings in a wings-level CFIT.

Could they have seen the terrain at the last second, pulled up too hard, stalled and rolled to wings vertical and nose down - similar to the final moments of the videoed ATR that crashed in Taipei?

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multim...5__849255b.jpg

Romeo E.T. 17th Aug 2015 18:12

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...f0&oe=5644E96A

langleybaston 17th Aug 2015 18:56

fog with visibility of less than 3 feet.

Somebody is exaggerating just a tad here.

Chronus 17th Aug 2015 19:44

This may not be the first for that route. Ironically it was in August 2009 when a DH-6 Twin Otter went down in the Gap. Here is the link for further info.

http://kemhubri.dephub.go.id/knkt/nt...t%20PK-NVC.pdf

andrewwordsworth 17th Aug 2015 23:27

Even without the fog in high altitude rainforest three foot is abou5 as far as you can see. The most extraordinary denseness of plant life, very beautiful but like no other environment on earth.

oleostrut 17th Aug 2015 23:38

"fog with visibility of less than 3 feet.

Somebody is exaggerating just a tad here."

I have been in fog with that visibility in Colorado at about 8,000 ft. Take 2 steps from the person walking with you, stop talking, and they can't find you.

highlandpark 17th Aug 2015 23:58

Looking at the chart kindly provided by Peekay4, it would seem that the plane should have turned east into the valley prior to the NDB if they were scud running

andrasz 18th Aug 2015 03:40


curiously narrow impact area for an ATR
Those are big trees... Also the long thin wings of the ATR outboard of the engines would not make it past the first larger tree trunk, looks a straight and level into the hill to me. Another sad case of aluminium tube vs. granitocumulus.


Having hiked in similar environments I can speak from experience, in low light conditions the three feet is not an exaggeration... Weather in tropical mountains changes incredibly fast, I can easily envision a scenario where they committed to a visual descent into a valley, and found themselves in IMC halfway through without a good plan B.

andrasz 18th Aug 2015 05:07

Crash site reached, no survivors
 
All 54 bodies found at Indonesian plane crash site, SE Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

onetrack 18th Aug 2015 06:42

What's the bet the 6.5 billion rupiah (AUD$637,443) carried in the aircraft, will be found to have all been burnt, and totally destroyed in the crash? :E :suspect:

oleostrut 18th Aug 2015 15:01

Latest report says authorities recovered the cash, somewhat singed, but there.


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