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AirAsia over run.
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Not the first time. They have been off the runway several times, and they also landed short one time.
http://http://www.independent.co.uk/...t-9947868.html How this can happen with their superior crew? |
7500ft runway - same as Liverpool and Newcastle and longer than Luton. When has anything gone off the end at one of those? Says it all about that part of the world. :uhoh:
Probably using the famous Indonesian Flap 5 (or 1 on the 320) and VREF 220kt procedure. |
Probably using the famous Indonesian Flap 5 (or 1 on the 320) and VREF 220kt procedure. |
7500ft runway - same as Liverpool and Newcastle and longer than Luton. When has anything gone off the end at one of those? Says it all about that part of the world. Probably using the famous Indonesian Flap 5 (or 1 on the 320) and VREF 220kt procedure. |
... but how often do they get monsoonal rain at Liverpool |
Haven't spent much time in Liverpool, have you? |
While it is easy to be cynical, here is what journalist said after leaving the aircraft via the emergency slide, this must be a frightening experience for passengers.
According to Jet Damazo Santos, a journalist from Rappler Indonesia, passengers had to leave the aircraft using its emergency slide. "Engine was shut immediately, we were told to leave bags, deplane asap. Firetruck was waiting. Seems handled well," she posted on her Twitter account. "Nobody seems to be hurt. Weather was bad because of #senangph. Plane came to a very abrupt stop." |
Unstabilized!
RWY 23 - ILS & LOC on TEST so non-Prec.!
So most likely too high & touch down too late. How many times have we had that in real life or the sim & done a GA. So who was PF? Anyone call "Unstabilized or GA", maybe the PF was PIC & he just pushed it? FDR and CVR will tell all. They were so lucky for the soaked ground stopping them before a structural breach or fire. No doubt $10 Million in damages. Can you imagine how much distrust/apprehension exists in the Cabin towards the Pilots now? |
Actually listed as 7175' or 2187m which is still plenty. Problem lies with the approach which is a LOC for RWY23 possibly followed by a circle to land RWY05.
ATC will put you into the hold at the initial fix (LASOR) and will clear you for approach from 1000' higher than normal. You are perfectly set up to be high and unstabilised for 23, even circling for 05 would require a higher than normal descent profile, and you would have to position yourself manually rather than have the A/P fly an ILS approach. Auto Brake MED may be required depending on wind and landing weight. ATC seem to favour a circle to land 05 as there are no taxi ways, you simply turn off near the end straight into the apron. |
the problem of this culture (asian especially), is that Going around is interpreted like a fail for them...
Plus it's a low cost, GA = high cost. :D |
Journalism at its finest "plane came to a very abrupt stop". Not abrupt enough apparently ;-)
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Tough audience, the quote was from the journalist's twitter account not a piece she wrote for paper. I suspect the stop at the end was felt abrupt as the aircraft was now in the rough.
http://cdn3.coconutsmedia.com/styles...sia_kalibo.jpg |
You mean it came to an abrupt stop, albeit in the wrong place.
Operating in monsoon conditions, the crew really need to be on the ball. Stabilized approach, and know what you're doing with the reverse (max, not idle) as the reverse is the only pilot input that is going to slow you down, any meaningful amount, initially. Any doubt whatsoever, carry out a missed approach of course. |
Was it a cultural issue when Qantas QF1 didn't go around at Bangkok in 1999 and ended up at the perimeter road?
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@robshan
well said, spot on...
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Another AirAsia plane in news: AirbusA320, with 159 on board, overshoots Kalibo runway
MANILA - Another AirAsia plane figured in the news Tuesday afternoon, this time in the Philippines. An AirAsia Zest aircraft with 159 people onboard overshot the runway at Kalibo International Airport in Aklan late Tuesday afternoon, further spooking holiday travelers. The incident happened just as international media quoted Indonesian authorities confirming that the debris and bodies found in Java Sea belonged to Air Asia's Flight 8501 that disappeared enroute to Singapore Sunday morning. The A320 aircraft used by Flight Edz272 overshot Kalibo Runway 23 while landing from Manila at 5:43 PM. It was piloted by Capt. Achilles Narajos. On board were 153 passengers and six crew members. Consequently, landing and takeoff at Kalibo airport was suspended effective 5:43PM. An initial report from accident investigators of the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) said passengers had to use the plane's emergency inflatable chute to disembark, with assistance from the plane crew. All passengers are at the airport terminal being attended by airport personnel. Reports said that three tires of the crippled A320 are embedded in mud at the end of Runway 23. All incoming flights had been cancelled tonight on account of heavy rains. Even if the VOR RWY23 is commenced from the correct altitude of 3900' the descent point is only 11.8nm from the threshold. If cleared for the approach before expecting it or kept high on the DME arc you would struggle to slow down, configure and fly the correct profile. |
This reminds me of other AirAsia off the runway incidents.
They have been off the runway in Kuching, Brunei and Kota Kinabalu, and landed short in Miri once. In Kota Kinabalu they landed after the previous MH flight went around. It would be interesting to know the fuel policy in this airline. Minimum fuel can put pressure on pilots to land in less than ideal conditions. |
Eclan
Eclan,
You can clearly see the fire services are there to assist in the evacuation. Highly unlikely they'd be that quick to respond in an unexpected overrun such as off an unstable approach unless they took all night to evacuate. Maybe best, yet again, to keep your trap shut until you know more facts hmmm..? 2) You don't know how long the evacuation took. Was it an emergency evacuation or was it an orderly evacuation using the slides. Typically I see crews in the simulator taking at least a minute on the A320 to deal with immediate problems before even deciding and calling for the On Ground Emer Evacuation Checklist. 3) I am not sure an accident investigator would reach any solid conclusion about the nature of the emergency from this photograph. 4) I am not aware of planned emergencies that include a definite runway over run. Nor would you normally expect fire crews to be in the stopway/clearway ready and waiting if that is what you are suggesting. It is more usual to pick a runway long enough to stop on taking into account braking action, and plan to do that. 5) Maybe best, yet again, to keep your trap shut until you know more facts |
Originally Posted by Doors to Automatic
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7500ft runway - same as Liverpool and Newcastle and longer than Luton. When has anything gone off the end at one of those? Says it all about that part of the world. :uhoh:
Probably using the famous Indonesian Flap 5 (or 1 on the 320) and VREF 220kt procedure. |
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