Not aware of any Thomson overruns at any of those airports?

To the poster who mentioned that these airports don't experience monsoons - true but they do experience crosswinds, snow, thunderstorms and fog and associated diversions when crews consider said conditions out of limits.

It was for a crew in this part of the world a few years ago!

DTA, Newcastle 2010 or '11 a Thomson 738 slid off the end of 07.

DTA, have you ever operated in the monsoon?

Of course it should not make any difference, I agree.

No can't say I have as I am not a pilot but I know the subject well enough to understand that it shouldn't make any difference to safety because if it is so bad to compromise safety then you don't go in!

LSM - not technically an overrun as it stayed on the paved surface but I confess to forgetting about that one!

1500 metres in monsoon equals 500 metres in fog. Same solution, go around and initiate plan 'b'.

And that my friend is the crux of the problem.

It's very easy to sit in armchairs and pontificate but pilots have to make decisions in real time.

The point I was making about the monsoon is that you have to experience it to understand how rapidly things can change. Even the heaviest rain at LPL is nothing like landing in the monsoon I can assure you.

The question is how do you determine "if it is so bad to compromise safety" not to go in?

Indonesia and surrounding area does not have a monopoly on monsoons - but it seems to on duff airlines and runway excursions. That is the crux of my point :ok:

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Nearly a third of the world's population lives in China and SE Asia. There are about 90 international airports in SE Asia and many more regional airports. Before you make those kinds of observations take some time to work out the frequency rate. Your observation might be valid, but what things "seem" like to you and what the reality is could be vastly different.

I wasn't referring to China or most of SE Asia. I was referring to Indonesia which has a staggeringly high overrun rate.

AirAsia skidded off the runway | Wee Choo Keong

As you can see from this image, the RFF are in the background assisting in what was a runway excursion, this aircraft veered off the centreline. The decision to conduct an emergency evacuation when there is no imminent danger to the passengers and crew will take several minutes to assess, and the arrival of the RFF can assist in this process.

Welll....talkin'bout Phil airlines/airliners, Kalibo airport, Philippines, Airbus 320, overruns and etc, why dont we take a look from the spectator inner-point of view...Part 1:



Part 2...Hummmm, those RFFS seems to be a lil'doubtful about what must be do, where to start...and so on :hmm:



Happy new year...tanx God no one got hurt in these 2 episodes(video day and today ;))

In the first video, from seeing the first set of Piano Keys go past - there is approximately 10 seconds before touchdown. Ooops.

Yeap PaxBoy...goin to Google earth/maps, its pretty clear this AirPhilExpress some time ago (but same rwy as Asia/Zest today), touched half down ...uuppsss----gotta luv that guy comment and the kiddy asking and letting daddys explain...:8

In the interests of fairness, it would be better to post the Kalibo METAR's (RPVK) than Mactan/Cebu (RPVM).

Moderate turbulence=people screaming and praying to their gods. Watching the runway flying past underneath you as your idiot captain sails along at mach .8 and and runs you off into the dirt, people act as if nothing is wrong. Amusing if you weren't there. I would have been terrified watching all that runway sail by without hearing the power come on.

Post #34 - the passenger in the video stated it was a nice landing.... :ugh:

Mr skiingman not necessarily.....

@mikedreamer787 Is your sarcasm radar turned off?!

It is quite interesting to hear the cabincrew prepare for landing call so late in the approach. I can not imagine that the SOP's are written in such a matter that this call shall be given at 100-200ft during the approach

The announcement about seats that comes along with the runway threshold certainly delivers. :uhoh:

I am wondering if it's flap2 or flap3 conf?