Post Mortem?
 

@Timtrb (post #7171)

"In the coming weeks items from the crash or bodies may find themselves washed ashore. A PM of any such bodies will reveal either smoke damage to lungs or possible other causes.."

Unlikely for 2 likely reasons:

[1] = crabs,

[2] = fish.

Sorry, but that's reality....

Dean

Protocol
 

Any pilots still reading this thread wish to comment?


Yes sometimes we revert to casual greetings like thanks, goodnight, good day good morning, a few words to humanise the relationship after lots of formal exchanges...
always thanks centre after landing and cancelling SAR and on transfer usually say call followed by thanks or see you later...why not

I think people reading too much into pilots contribution and should as I have said be asking what did the passengers do for 7 hours watch videos??

Very interesting article about the ramifications of this

The sinister, scary impact of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 - Intelligent Travel

What really bothers me here.
Is the Media.
As pilots we have jobs, we know how to do correctly.
CNN is the worst and should stop this.
Now some bad guy knows how to turn off the transponder.
He knows how to scratch pad another position in the FMS then execute it.
He knows the E and E and where to look for C/B acars etc.
Those in the sim everyday showing and demonstrating this on CNN is bad news.
The public does not need to know these things, the bad guys will use against us again.
I know the world wants news , but some things about how web operate should never be on the TV.
It will bite us all in the ass later.

ATC Aircraft transcript
 

Revealed: the final 54 minutes of communication from MH370 - Telegraph


That's a transcript that is nothing like any ATC to aircraft departure sequence that I have heard.


Even the take off clearance is read back as clear to take off"" and callsign last in which case it should have been Malaysian Three Seven Zero





Malaysia is ICAO..




Can some one confirm what the normal instruction and response is going out of any ATC airport in that region please?

I wish they would release the actual audio recording, they have released the transcript now release the MP3! :ugh:

@ZAZ

Go to http://www.liveatc.net/flisten.php?m...mkk2&icao=wmkk and listen live to KL

ATC "transcript"
 

The document posted by tbe Telegraph does NOT reflect normal communications by Malaysian ATC or pilots operating there. It's rubbish. No need to flog that topic anymore.
:rolleyes:

Malaysian RT
 

I have flown in Malaysia (indeed very recently) and I can assure you, everyone speaks English, even locals to locals. Not always easy to understand their accents, but I have heard very little "jargon". I even tried to say "salamat pagi" on first contact with ground one morning and they came back with "good morning." Based on my experience, the transcript is nonsense and all instructions, whether commercial or GA flying are fully ICAO.

I've followed this thread pretty much all the way and resisted adding to the maelstrom until now.

But has anyone noticed the alignement of the runway at Langkawi?

03/21.

Now lets supposing we're talking about a Swissair 111/helios 552 type incident, basically crew incapacitation. And they manage to get lined up onto R21 before promptly succumbing.

Would someone better able than me care to plot one more map with that heading extrapolated? Where if anywhere does that intersect with the southern arc? And would anything from that coincide with probable range from the now reported 54.1 tons fuel? Just an idea.

Bless their hearts whatever happened to them.

I agree, CNN had a reporter in a 777 Sim ( not a "real" Sim )
He showed the world where the transponder was located and how to select the Hijack code!!

I mean come on.........


Langkawi is a one way strip, land on 03 and depart 21 due to terrain..

Thanks for killing that one off succinctly nitpicker.

Flown in there as pax so should have known!

Does anyone know what the designated diverts were, dont recall any mention of it. Can Tho?

PMDG 777 Simulator Package
 

The transponder location, usage and FMS details are available for $90 US in a "BOEING Officially Licensed Product." Run the PMDG 777 sim package in FSX or Prepar3D on a $2000 PC and you have most of the answers. The PMDG sim will provide way more detail than has been conveyed on Television.

PMDG Simulations - this link is for the 777 sim package - take a quick look at the details

There are also multiple manuals and study guides published on real paper and on the internet that provide very specific guidance to want-to-be 777 pilots.

Talking Heads (knowledgeable or not) are not revealing any secrets - at least based on the very technical discussions in the very PUBLIC PMDG and FSX user groups.

On the 777 the suitable airports around his position would have been

Ho chi minh, Kuantan, KL, Subang, Langkawi, Penang, Johor Bahru, Sing etc some of those would have been closed at 2 am.

Others like Kota Bahru, Terengganu, Ipoh, Alor setar, etc are a little short for a 777 except for a grave and imminent emergency.

Security by obscurity is not security, and usually a bad plan. Usually its the bad guys who find out first.

Frankly its a good thing the unlocked EE thing was disclosed - perhaps now something will be done about it. Someone somewhere should be fired for letting that remain unsecured.

Sensors are duplicated. The systems are duplicated (in the case of the 777 it appears multiple instances run in lock step with cross checking of outputs). Any differing values will be detected. So for your scenario to happen, you'd have to have all such sensors damaged in the same way and feeding exactly the same 'radical' numbers into the system.

The other thing that makes it seem very unlikely is the long time period (many hours) and small number of course changes with large intervals (based on the radar track at least).

Is it possible that systems damage caused the plane to change heading periodically but otherwise fly fine? Sure, but so are many other theories floated on here. Likely? I don't think so.

The 2005 incident you referenced was due to a software bug which caused the system not to reject a known faulty sensor reading. Left alone with no intervention, that one would have been catastrophic. Had that software bug not existed, the faulty sensor would have been ignored.

Aus chartered Gulfstreams now on station in Southern search area. Time on station now pretty much limited to crew fatigue. For those advocating the carriage of a spare crew to extend search time, the cabin is full of eyes too..

Search Update - 2:30PM Australian WST (0630GMT).

Two merchant ships are currently in the designated search area and carrying out a search by travelling back and forth through the search zone.

HMAS Success is expected to reach the search area mid-Saturday afternoon, local time (very soon).
The Chinese Government has re-tasked three warships - the Kunlunshan, the Haikou, and the Qiandaohu - to the Southern Indian Ocean search zone.
The Kunlunshan is a modern amphibious transport ship, the Haikou is a destroyer, and the Qiandaohu is a refuelling ship.
The Chinese icebreaker Snow Dragon (Xue Long) was fully refuelled and re-provisioned in Fremantle port and left at 6:00PM local time last night (Friday night) for the search zone. The Snow Dragon carries 87 crew.

Two commercial jets (Gulfstream & Global Express) and an RAAF P3 Orion left Perth 6:00AM local time (1000GMT) to carry out search duties in the search area.
The commercial jets have 5 hrs endurance over the search zone, the Orion has only 2 hrs endurance.

Ten volunteers from the local State Emergency Service (SES) have been tasked with search duties (air observers) on the commercial jets.

There have been 15 sorties carried out from Pearce airbase by the RAAF and RNZAF Orions since they arrived Thursday.

Three Chinese Iluyshin-IL76's are expected to arrive in Perth this afternoon to join in the search.
A number of Japanese search aircraft are expected to arrive in Perth on Monday to assist in the search.

Weather in the search area is reported as being exceptionally favourable today, with excellent visibility, and winds down to 10 knots.
The swell never lets up, though.

I keep thinking this is a heck of a lot of activity for two smudges on a satellite photo. Does anyone know if what the satellite guys have looked at is higher resolution than the jpegs on the AMSA website ? I guess there could be better photos nobody wants to tell us about.

I hope they find something. I can't imagine what it would be like to have a relative on that plane.

"Bad guys" come in many different types , ranging from the well prepared to the nutter that acts on the spirit of the moment. History shows that a very large proportion of bad guys, in an aviation context, are very high on political or religious ideas and pretty low on technical knowhow. Unlike software hackers the vast majority are not conversant with the finer workings of large commercial airliners why spoon feed that info in the tv just to spice up a bit of "news"?

ATC-talk is really only totally procedural when they're busy, rest of the time they're as human as anyone else, and I think on the Graveyard shift ( Ooops, no pun intended ! ) over N.E. Malaysia / S.E. Vietnam is as borin' as anywhere.

Once finished an ATC position report - in English of course - over the USSR with "Do Svadanya". Guy came back with a torrent of Russian ! Bored out of his mind, just wanted someone to talk to !

Groan. Geoffrey Thomas is at it again.

Australian, self appointed "aviation expert" :yuk: was just on Australian news program discussing the RT which have been released.

It has already been established that the released transcript has been subject to a double translation which, when it comes to RT phraseology, makes it even less likely to actually reflect the conversation and essentially irrelevant to speculation of cause.

He then went on to say what the required read back from the crew (for a frequency hand off) should have been - and he was COMPLETELY wrong.

Nothing irks me more than a supposed technical/industry expert making things up which are incorrect and disseminating to the public. An aviation expert in RT phraseology is a pilot or ATC, not a journalist.

"Aviation expert"... In his own eyes only.