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Mandarin?
Weird/non-standard translation? So they claim all communications were in Mandarin? No, I don't know why. LiveATC.com actually has a recording of some of the KL ATC freq that night. What little I heard of MAS370 was in English. No one is going to use the callsign "MH370" on freq (which isn't the flight's actual callsign, anyway). But at least we have times/rough intent of the transmission. Looks completely normal to me, even the second confirmation of climbing to FL350. |
The RAAF P3Cs do not have a air refueling capability.
Given the range at which this search is taking place, with a transit time of approx four hours each way and two hours on station, I wonder how long the current sortie rate can be maintained? I do not know how many P3 crews they have these days, but what they may lack in numbers is well compensated by their capability. If I was lost they are the people I would want searching for me! |
Originally Posted by Rob21
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I got curious and did a research on the antenna locations on the B-777. As I imagined, all the comm related antennas are under the "belly" and directly under the forward cargo bay. All the sat comm antennas are, of course, on the top of the fuselage.
Could it be possible that a fire in the front cargo bay destroyed the wiring "traveling" to the lower antennas? The upper antennas continued sending signals to Inmarsat and dense and toxic fumes took over the cabin and cockpit. If dense smoke takes over the cockpit, it is impossible to fly any airplane. Change course on the FMS with almost no visibility very difficult, low fire but lots of smoke. For how long a crew can resist? Antennas out? http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17...7.jpg~original http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17...a.jpg~original http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17...b.jpg~original |
Originally Posted by DCrefugee
(Post 8393264)
The UK Telegraph has a document purporting to be the MAS370 ATC transcript. Link:
Revealed: the final 54 minutes of communication from MH370 - Telegraph http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17...a.jpg~original http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17...a.jpg~original |
No one is going to use the callsign "MH370" on freq (which isn't the flight's actual callsign, anyway). But at least we have times/rough intent of the transmission. Looks completely normal to me, even the second confirmation of climbing to FL350. Phrases like 'runway ready, permitted to take off' will never be heard in real world ATC clearances. If this leaked transcript was the original source of 'all right, good night', I sure wouldn't read too much into it. |
There is no way the aircraft flew for 5 hours or so without the crew doing something. 1999 South Dakota Learjet crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Learjet continued flying over the southern and midwestern United States for almost four hours and 1,500 miles (2,400 km). The plane ran out of fuel and crashed into a field near Aberdeen, South Dakota after an uncontrolled descent |
With a forward speed of 190kts and an L/D of 20:
Forward speed - 320.6 ft/sec Vertical speed - 16.0 ft/sec This is about the structural limit for the landing gear so it wouldn't be conducive for a successful ditching. |
Aqua tone,
As long as needed. They would pull people in from all over aus if qualified and required. It is part of what they train for, they won't want to miss the opportunity to take part. |
There's still this plausible theory that MH370 avoided being noticed by any radars by shadowing SIA68 on its way across India. That would of course also include the "flying for 6 hours with an onboard fire" and "abducted by aliens" scenarios, as well as the above. :ugh: |
Regarding the possible report of reaching FL450.
This was from Primary radar data readings and estimations. Today at FL380 our actual GPS ALT was 40,300' So a 2,300' difference, this I've seen on every flight and can be up to 2,500' difference. It's therefore reasonable that the 45,000' primary radar altitude above sea level was up to 2,500' above the Aircrafts pressure Altimeter reading of FL425 to 430. Hence the A/C wasn't as high as we think? Not that it matters much. |
Please tell me the (alleged) transcript posted above isn't real.
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Re: Telegraph transcript. According to that the plane climbed 35000ft in 8 minutes, roughly 4300ft/min. A bit extreme? Is 35,000ft a bit low for cruise on this flight? I noticed that on previous flights on this route, cruise was 37,000ft. |
1/ Alleged RT transcripts are bollocks, KL ATC and MH crews do not use such phrases EVER. In my experience working for MH and flying around Asia for the last 25 years is that MH crews have some of the best RT discipline I've heard.
2/ FL350 for this particular flight is not unusual, don't forget it always subject to ATC clearance regarding FL availability. 3/ reaching FL350 in 20 mins is reasonable for a 772ER at their TOW. |
"If MH379 was operating in LNAV which seems to have been agreed" Nowhere has it "been agreed", nor should it be. As I mentioned in an earlier post, don't get mesmerised by the FMC, a very useful bit of kit for flying a pre programmed route, doing a SID or making an arrival. The aircraft is believed to have flown a random route, devoid of known waypoints, from the time it went back over Malaysia until 08.11. If the aircraft was under the control of a person then FLCH and HDG Select are the most likely modes used. |
Big question remains
Was the aircraft tracked by the Jindalee radar system? |
Neogen ....
Hypoxia: 1999 South Dakota Learjet crash - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Re phrase .. There is no way the crew would not have done something if they were not incapacitated in some way 5 hours. MAS have something to hide here, why hide the existence of Lithium batteries in the first place. Everyone in aviation realizes these are a dangerous goods. Expect more angry scenes from the relatives in BJ and quite rightly so. The relatives have been saying all along that MAS are not telling the truth, this just confirms their suspicions. MAS should now produce a complete manifest of the cargo it was carrying. |
I doubt it. If it was they would know where it is or at least a more detailed point where contact was lost with heading.
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Whatever the outcome..one thing HAS to change....aircraft should be required to 'ping' location data (sat ) more frequently...money and tech are not the problem in this case....
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I have came across five that are in the search area. |
Cheap and trivial GPS tracking solution?
Satcom units commonly have GPS units built into them. Seems like sending frequent live GPS updates would be trivial and inexpensive.
SMS text messages on GSM networks are ridiculously low bandwidth, they sort of piggyback on blank data areas in network handshake transmissions, no? Inmarsat uses TDMA provisioning just like GSM. |
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