"Found a "less cropped" version of the debris...with windows frame for reference...."

A photographer I a'int either, but the photo just doesn't look right, almost looks like the lights of a town or city?

Yes that information was posted by me. Cheers for that.


In relation to the photo the South China Morning Post is claiming it was taken by a passenger at 6:45 AM this morning en-route from PEK to KUL with MAS.

Does anyone know of a link which would provide updated information from the authorities?

This is one of the photos from the PEK/KUL flight that claims to show debris:

Missing Malaysia Airlines jet carrying 239 triggers Southeast Asia search - Page 10 - World News - Thailand Forum

Looks a bit more plausible than the cropped one

Underfire: 2 UAB's one on the FDR and one on the CVR. Assuming they are wet then they will be going off, but if covered by debris the range will be limited.

I'm starting to wonder... A few months ago the TSA in the US decided they had some authority to start inspecting part 145 repair stations at or near US airports. It would not take more than a few min. for a MX person to disable the UAB's and the ELT on an aircraft.

Follow-up question at the KL presser (also live on BBC World News) brought out that it was "military radar" that indicated the possible turn-back. Didn't say whose military radar.

I too am quite skeptical of the "debris" photograph. I guess it's possible that with highly angular setting or rising sunlight that debris could be lit in such a way. One would have to assume the photographer is capable of recognizing what are lit city lights and what are something that looks out of the norm - and hence why they brought it to outside attention. Additionally it does appear the shot was taken in the early morning according to reports.

On the flip-side it could also be completely bogus.

The picture would appear (to me) to show fishing boats (probably squid). The amount of fishing boats in this area is unreal and they look very similar to this picture from the air at night.

news conference;

main focus to locate a/c.

military radar shows a possible aircraft turnback.

search widened to include land/sea area on the western side of country/malacca straits.

they have cctv of the 2 pax using stolen passports,from check in to departure gate.

22 aircraft and 40 ships involved in search.incl 5 from indonesia.

5 pax did not board the a/c ,their bags were removed.

The photo was posted to Weibo, a Chinese social media site.

Debris Photos
 

Looking at the debris photos and information from the poster on Weibo. His photo was taken at 6.39am according to his tv screen and he was travelling on Beijing to KL route with Malaysia airlines and was about 90 minutes from KL.

At 6.39am KL time malaysian airlines flight MH361 from Beijing to KL was exactly over this area and i've just checked the flight track for it .

It seems further away than areas being searched, and all other flights usually show up over this area on radar. This is maybe 40-50km from Phan Thiet and maybe 20km from the coast of vietnam.

What do you think??

This. Or else aeroplane seats and suitcases etc have their own light source. And are the size of a roof ...

photo of possible debris
 

The photo that shows the window frame as reference looks to me to be ice crystals that form on the window panes sometimes. This explains why they are all of similar intensity. With the normal visibility from inside a cabin with the inner protective panes you can't point vertically down so some of the possible debris would be floating in the sky !

According to this article: Two More Europeans with False Passports

It would seem these are the two Ukrainians. I recall a list posted here earlier with the 7 Pax who booked through China Southwest. The article said they were both from the same country. That list had 2 Ukrainians.

Possible turn back? It did or it did not. No need for further interrogation of your military radar records.

When pressed by the Journalists, who at last seem to understand how to ask pertinent questions, the military and political guys were pressured into lying immediately. Ask any body language specialist.

The Aviation Minister is ALSO the Defence Minister! Double salary and conflict of interest. He must be very proud of the security arrangements at KL regarding passport recognition, either rubbish or worse ignored. On his watch.

By the way, a chest full of tacky medals do not impress anyone other than third world dictators.

RE 777 WING TEST
 

By the way - I was at that test- Being a then recently retired injun - ear having worked on that program. And i attended the quick look summary afterwards.

They had handed out before the test a marked page showing where they expected the failure to occur. the quick look data displayed in the conference room indicated the prediction was within a few inches of expected- verifying the computer program analysis. It was as I recall on the upper surface in compression at about the second or third rib out from side of body join.

I mention this only to show that the test was accurate, did not flex ' up and down' as some say and exceeded the required load by a few percent.

And from memory - it would take a approx 3 g plus pull up ( as in recovery from a dive ) to fail the wing.

That photo was taken 6.39am KL time or 5.39 Vietnam time. Sunrise in Ho chi Minh is ~6:04 am local time.

So i doubt it would be pitch dark at 5.39am.

Also the sunrise from 11,000 m would be around 7 minutes earlier. Now i understand that won't illuminate the ground but it certainly won't be pitch dark when the guy took the photo.

Are Malaysia Airlines telling us all they know ?

I dont think so.

1. If there was a turn back SOP would be for crew to report this - they said they did not get a report.

2. Boeing 777-200 reports constantly back to base many paramateurs of the aircrafts performance and position. MH say they dont know the position of the crash site.

There are other points also but in essence. They are keeping many things to them selves. Ref Military radar that was drag out of them from a reporter.

Watch this space Malaysian Air are not being transparent for some reason.

Watch the press conferences carefully and make up your mind.

Exactly thats what I am saying above.