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Rabbitwear 13th Mar 2014 06:16

This link shows the article about the 20 Freescale employees , the Captain also shared a keen interest in electronics.

Freescale Semiconductor Employees Behind Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane? One of Many Conspiracy Theories

Australopithecus 13th Mar 2014 06:17

The theories that include an unconscious crew and an aircraft in HDG mode flying on until fuel starvation remain valid BTW, and seem still more likely to me.

techgeek 13th Mar 2014 06:24

Rolls Royce EHM uses ACARS
 
From the RR web site:

EHM = Engine Health Monitoring


"A critical aspect of the EHM system is the transfer of data from aircraft to ground. Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System (ACARS) digital data-link systems are used as the primary method of communication. This transmits the Aircraft Condition Monitoring System (ACMS ) reports via a VHF radio or satellite link whilst the aircraft is in-flight.

A worldwide ground network then transfers this data to the intended destination. The positive aspect of this system is its robust nature and ability to distribute information worldwide. On the other hand, the Airplane Condition Monitoring Function (ACMF) reports are limited to 3kB, hence the acquisition systems need to work within this limitation. Future systems are being deployed to increase data volumes through wireless data transmission as the aircraft approaches the gate after landing. This will enable more data to be analysed, but will not be as immediate as ACARS, where data can be assessed well before the aircraft lands again."

nitpicker330 13th Mar 2014 06:24

Just looked at the Captains site.

A true Aviation enthusiast like a lot of the Malay crews I had the pleasure of flying with, they have a passion for the job and it showed.

I'd be confident in saying that whatever went terribly wrong that night he was not responsible.

Wantion 13th Mar 2014 06:26

Press Conference @5pm KL local time today
 
Press Conference scheduled for 5pm KL local time today...bet it runs late again ! See it here:


Live TV | Astro Awani

Mark in CA 13th Mar 2014 06:31

Is it reasonable to assume that someone who builds a sim like that with malicious intent would publicly display it and discuss it in an open forum on the Internet? I think not.

underfire 13th Mar 2014 06:32

From this article on the 787 real time Operations Center, while it is for the 787, right at the end of the video, they note that the Center also monitors the 777 real time, but just not as much data...

Boeing operations center tracks 787 flights in real time | KING5.com Seattle

jugofpropwash 13th Mar 2014 06:33

If the plane was snatched, I don't think it was terrorism related. But I'd sure like to know what was in the cargo.

training wheels 13th Mar 2014 06:36


Originally Posted by jugofpropwash (Post 8371027)
Most people I know, regardless of how much they like their job, don't want to go home and recreate it. Now, I know a lot of airline pilots fly gliders and such in their free time - but recreating their day job? Especially for someone who''s been doing that job for years? Just seems odd.

Jeez, mate, he's probably set it up for his kids and friends as well to share his passion for flying. Nothing wrong with that. Actually I'd be more worried about pilots who don't have the passion anymore, than one who did. :rolleyes:

nitpicker330 13th Mar 2014 06:36

Seems it may be time to 100% monitor the position of all Airline Aircraft with independent power supplies so they cannot be tampered with.

Such as this.

Welcome | spidertracks

Dai_Farr 13th Mar 2014 06:37

SAR question
 
I asked much the same in post http://www.pprune.org/8363027-post1109.html.

Since the responses were in the negative, I suggested a UN regional approach in http://www.pprune.org/8363132-post1130.html.

Stoove 13th Mar 2014 06:42

I wonder if anyone is considering just one possible motive for an apparent controlled flight (however far-fetched it may seem) to nowhere of 3.5 hours or so? A symbolic gesture?

Without spelling it out might it not be a good idea to search the area along that heading where the fuel might have been expected to run out from the last reported radar sighting west of Peninsular Malaysia towards a certain revered destination? Such a compass-bearing is seen in most hotel rooms for example.

Interestingly a quick glance at the map suggests that such a route might avoid all places where radar coverage would have lit them up.

If rescue is still an even remote possibility time is of the essence and if RR engine records are truly indicating 5 hours flight time this is certainly worthy of investigation.

ianwood 13th Mar 2014 06:51


Originally Posted by DWS (Post 8370962)
Why did it take 4 to 5 days to reveal. granted it takes some time to match data with timelines and data in burst mode every xx minutes depending…

It is curious. Being that the US security agencies were probably contacted by Boeing right away, they held it back for a number of days. Does that mean the ACARS messages led them to believe it landed somewhere or does it mean the messages didn't conclude with a definitive event leaving a successful landing not out of the question. If they knew it flamed out or ran out of fuel, they probably would have been more comfortable putting it out there sooner.

wiggy 13th Mar 2014 07:00


Earlier an engineer mentioned the (MEC??) and its location relative to an O2 bottle. Could a failure of or within the MEC cause a simultaneous hypoxic inducing event as well as a communications severing one?
This was covered in detail in several posts at the time but since it's a new day...the oxygen bottle in question is the supply for the emergency oxygen masks on the flight deck.

onetrack 13th Mar 2014 07:00


Safe to say, if an intentional reroute (by crew or others on board) is indeed what happened, the best spot to do it would be approaching TOC, out in the middle of the ocean, as opposed to straight after take off whereby the response from authorities would be a lot quicker...
It struck me as odd, from the beginning, that a catastrophic event would happen right at the point of handover to another countrys ATC, where Comms were weak, and where radar coverage was nearing its limit. Not to say all the holes in the cheese lined up, it's definitely happened before, but .... if you planned to divert an aircraft, where else would you select? :ooh:

Um... lifting... 13th Mar 2014 07:01


That range ring example whilst mildly helpful, is still air.

Roughly, any westbound travel will have less range due headwinds encountered.
That's as may be, but the ring requested wanted KUL as the center point. To add winds into a poorly chosen datum (which I did not choose) would only introduce further error.

There's a process to determining search areas which involves reducing uncertainties. Starting with a ring centered about an airport isn't part of that process unless there is no other information available. I provided what was asked for without compounding the ~500nm error inherent in the request. Adding winds (which can only be guessed at without knowing altitudes) would have done just that. Without more data than appears to be available to the general public it is pretty unlikely that any individual or small group will settle upon a high probability search area.

Global Warrior 13th Mar 2014 07:05

Wiggy

Thanks


This was covered in detail in several posts at the time but since it's a new day...the oxygen bottle in question is the supply for the emergency oxygen masks on the flight deck.
I should have worded the question better... I meant forgetting the effects of any O2 bottle malfunction....just the MEC itself.

EngineeringPilot 13th Mar 2014 07:14

Retiring missing jet's flight number
 
As a sign of respect, MAS has decided to discontinue the use of two flight codes associated with the missing plane, mainly MH370 and MH371 will now be changed to MH318 and MH319 as from tomorrow, for the route KL to Beijing and back.

mabuhay_2000 13th Mar 2014 07:20

Onetrack
 
By their very nature, accidents can happen at any time, even the most unlikeliest times.

I don't think there is anything like enough evidence, at the moment, to suggest this is a deliberate seizing of the aircraft.

rog747 13th Mar 2014 07:20

large debris spotted
 
the Chinese satellite images of large debris pieces were taken 9th march and now they say they cannot find any trace of these so far - does it take this long to download and sift images?

also one of the debris pieces looked (imho) like a large aircraft wing centre section

then now we have the new twist of the WSJ article of 5 hours of engine data

goodness this is so deep


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