Europe wide ATC strike on 10 October
 

I was sent the following badly written email today. The strike is referenced elsewhere.

Does anyone know if this might happen or if it's just hot air?

Check ATCEUC - Action Day for more information. At the moment it looks like it's more than hot air. Talked to one of our union guys and he told me not to book a flight for the 10th.

Great, civil servants that want to protest against the industry changing the pathetic inefficient current system set up by politicians ..... :confused:

Can we strike to get the single sky sooner rather than latter?:rolleyes:

Maybe they should strike to make sure that all of European ATC is of the same high standard? :*

Be aware that many controllers are in favour of the Single European Sky. Those who are not are the usual suspects from countries which are already well known for their, ehm, below par service and high operating costs.

<<Great, civil servants >>

ATC staff in some countries are not civil servants.

It seems, then, that UK flights will operate as normal.

ayroplain, looking at that list, only if you want to remain domestic. Doesn't look like there will be much chance of exiting the UK.....

Indeed, the usual suspects and no day trip to RAK for me then :E

Don't be worried about this:

That's taken from the list of ATCEUC member countries. Many on that list will not be involved in any action.

So how come us pilots cannot all strike together to protest against the proposed EASA FDP's, zero hours contracts and poor pay, to name but three??

As far as UK pilots are concerned probably for the same reason that the UK ATCers can't (?) go on strike on Oct 10th.

Hi Heathrow Director. I appreciate that, apologies for not being clear enough. I was referring to the ones calling the strikes in strike capitols like France and Spain... :rolleyes:

@No RYR for Me:
In spain there is the distinction between civil servants (police for example) who have a job for life and rather low salaries and public workers who are hired by companies owned by the state. They have no guaranteed job but their salaries tend to be more in line with market standard. Spanish atco's belong to the second group.

In any case don't worry too much about Spain going on strike. To my knowledge spanish atco's have not had a strike for the last 10 years. In summer 2010 we voted to go on strike but this was later cancelled through negotiation. In september 2010 there was a general strike in Spain but atcos chose not to participate... and they got nevertheless minimum services ordered of 110%. As for the events in december 2010 the courts are still on it but it looks increasingly like it was a AENA HQ / Government instigated action.

But I seem to remember a couple of years ago when Spanish ATC did go on strike. Most of spain was closed. The military took over in the Canaries and I remember checking in to an ATSU and getting the response "Canaries Radar controlled by Military".

Also the threw their teddies out and are now punishing pilots and airlines by denying any direct routings. Also new sids and stars seem to have come out that also create more cost to the airlines. BLN2C in AGP is a good example. It was designed to allow traffic to land on RWY 12 as the BLN2H crosses the Rwy track. BUT RWY 12 is only open at weekends, (Great waste of money) so why can't we use BLN2H during the week. It's all over the sea anyway so noise is not a problem.

If your gripe is with the Spanish government or your employer, don't penalise the airlines and passengers that your country relies upon.

So, how else do you propose to make a point to a management who won't listen or negotiate?

One of the basic ideas of a strike is to make the users (i.e. major industries, airlines, passengers) aware of an ongoing problem and get them to bear pressure on the responsible management to resolve the matter, preferably in the best interest of all concerned.

Now, if managers did that in the first place there would never be any need for strikes. Simple really.

That's because it's a european strike... :E

Figures...I'm non-reving through FRA on October 10 :/. Guess I better look into train tickets.

In a northerly country on that list with a sizeable Oceanic area, such a strike would be illegal. Non-starter.

Scandis not striking either... -integrated their airspace long ago too...

Both the Norwegian and Danish controller unions have stated that strike is NOT on their agenda, because it would be illegal.

Those ANSPs that are not on strike may very well be 'working to rule', which depending on the centre concerned could very easily mean a 30-40% reduction in hourly traffic figures.

Or every controller on the morning shift calls in sick.

How would that be different from what happens every day ?

I guess one result of Spanish controllers striking would mean that Spanish carriers would, for a change, get the same priority as all non Spanish carriers. Both getting no service would level the field for at least one day.

I asked German ATC about wether to take the 10th off. He told me to watch the press, and I would know...

Just had a look at some of the larger European airline websites and there is no mention of this disruption at all. If European air travel is going to be severely disrupted in ten days from now, the message is not getting across.

Traveling on 10 Oct
 

Thanks for the updates. I go on break on Oct 10th and cant convince my company to buy me another ticket to stay away from Europe and since there is ZERO press releases, they won't exchange my ticket :ugh:

From the Network Operations Portal of Eurocontrol:

strike will affect
Portugal: 0600-0800 and 1400-1600 UTC - see NOTAMs A/Ds, ACCs
France: 0400-1800 UTC - no NOTAM yet
Spain: 0700-0900 and 1500-1700 UTC - no NOTAM yet

more to come later.

https://www.public.cfmu.eurocontrol....pec/index.html

And now this, from:-
https://www.public.cfmu.eurocontrol....pec/index.html

"European ATC industrial action cancelled for 10/10/2013"

Can anyone verify ?

The strike is over!
 

FRANKFURT, Oct 4 (Reuters) - The air traffic controllers union in Europe (ATCEUC) has called off a strike planned for Oct. 10 after the European Commission signalled its willingness to renegotiate plans to liberalise civil airspace.

European air traffic controllers call off Oct. 10 strike

Union Press release here:

http://www.atceuc.org/upload/ATC-EUC...-to-listen.pdf

Europe wide ATC strike on 10 October
 

http://www.ainonline.com/sites/default/files/pdf/notice-to-travellers.pdf

TRY2FLY
 

I refer the right honourable lady or gentleman to BeT's most recent post (permalink #30) and all the subsequent posts.....

Thanks Wiggy re http://www.atceuc.org/upload/ATC-EUC...-to-listen.pdf

Proves that pressure often pays off. Good points for ATCEUC ! As usual those that were against this will benefit nevertheless from the actions of the few, but that has always been the case..

The rest of Europe may have decided to postpone action but the French have just released the following NOTAM:

(A5702/13 NOTAMN
Q) LFXX/QXXXX/IV/NBO/E /000/999/4504N00053E999
A) LFMM LFRR LFBB LFEE LFFF B) 1310100400 C) 1310101800
E) DUE TO A STRIKE AFFECTING FRENCH CIVIL AVIATION SERVICES,
SOME DISTURBANCES MIGHT AFFECT FRENCH ATS,AIS AND COM SERVICES:
1-A MINIMUM SERVICE WILL BE ENSURED IN ACCS AND AT
LFPG/LFPO/LFSB/LFST/LFLL/LFLC/LFMN/LFML/LFKB/LFKC/LFKJ/LFBD/LFBI/LFBL
/LFBO/LFRG/LFRS AND OVERSEAS AIRPORTS. ACTUAL ATC CAPACITY WILL BE
DETERMINED ACCORDING TO AVAILABLE STAFF.
2-AT OTHER AERODROMES,ATS SERVICES MIGHT BE UNAVAILABLE DURING
CERTAIN PERIODS NOTIFIED BY NOTAMS.
3-AIRCRAFT OPERATORS ARE REQUESTED TO REDUCE THE FLIGHT THEY
SCHEDULED BY 30 PER CENT (FROM 6 MOVEMENTS) ON THURSDAY 10 OCTOBER ON
PARIS ORLY, PARIS CDG AND BEAUVAIS PLATFORMS, FOR FLIGHT INBOUNB,
OUTBOUND AND CROSSING LFMM AND LFBB FIR.THIS REDUCTION IS REQUESTED
FOR FLIGHTS DEPARTING OR ARRIVING BEFORE 12H00UTC AT THOSE PLATEFORMS
4-AIRCRAFT OPERATORS ARE REQUESTED TO REDUCE THE FLIGHT THEY
SCHEDULE BY 30 PER CENT (FROM 6 MOVEMENTS) ON THURSDAY 10 OCT AT
MARSEILLE LFMM AND LYON LFLL PLATEFORMS
5-AIRCRAFT OPERATORS SHALL SEND REMAINING PROGRAM AND CANCELLED
FLIGHTS BEFORE WEDNESDAY 09 OCT 10H00UTC TO DGAC/DTA BY MAIL TO
PROGRAMMES-COMPAGNIES.DTA(AT)AVIATION-CIVILE.GOUV.FR
6- FLIGHT PLANS EXCEEDING THOSE LIMITATIONS COULD BE REJECTED.
7-TERRITORIAL CONTINUITY FLIGHTS (CORSICA AND DOM-TOM) ARE NOT
CONCERNED BY THIS REQUEST
8-AIRCRAFT OPERATORS MUST SYSTEMATICALLY CANCEL ALL PLN, RPL OR FPL
FOR THE FLIGHTS NOT PERFORMED
RMK : INFORMATION ON REAL TIME SITUATION WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE
FOLLOWING INTERNET WEBSITE HTTP://DSNADO.CANALBLOG.COM)

From the Eurocontrol Network Manager NOP headline news:


It is expected that all 5 French ACCs will implement a significant reduction in capacity and consequent regulations starting from approximately 0400 UTC.
It is expected that these capacities will change as staff report for duty as follows:

Paris and Reims ACCs (LFFF/LFEE):
Capacity is expected to become available during the early part of the morning and precautionary regulations should be cancelled by 0600 UTC.

Brest and Bordeaux ACCs (LFRR/LFBB):
A minimum service of approximately 33% of normal capacity will available during the morning. This is expected to increase from 0900 UTC onwards until 1800 UTC when normal capacities are expected.

Marseille ACC (LFMM):
The strike is expected to be very strongly adhered to with a minimum service of approximately 33% of normal capacity from 0430-1800 UTC with an increase in capacity only after 1800 UTC.

The DGAC is implementing a flight reduction programme as follows:

Arrival and Departures from LFPG, LFPO and LFOB from 0400-1200 UTC from and to the south must be reduced by 30%.
Operators should be prepared to reduce their programmes after 1200 UTC if necessary.

It is currently not clear on the exact definition of South. This will be confirmed by NOTAM as soon as possible and this headline news will be updated accordingly.

Arrival and departures from LFLL and LFML must be reduced by 30% from 0400-1800 UTC as they are wholly within the LFMM ACC.

Operators to LFMN (Nice) are not requested to reduce their flying programmes, as traffic can route via LIMM (Milan ACC) avoiding LFMM ACC.

More information available via the following DGAC link : CanalBlog


NMOC is currently coordinating with surrounding ACCs to ensure maximum capacities.

Rerouting opportunities will be available including:

-Tango Oceanic routes.

-Routes via Algeria and Tunisia.

-The adaptation of military activity which may impact capacity.

NMOC will host a teleconference today at 1230 UTC.
To join this conference.
dial: +32 2 401 54 26 and enter
pin: 38557308#

What do you expect, they had already planned their day off that day. I suspect they don't even know what they're striking about anymore, but hey you can't let the lack of a good reason stop plans for a strike :E

Absolutely typical French. I'm surprized they haven't asked the UK to supply some lovely English lamb for a Barbeque.

Latest news on French ATC Strike
 

It is expected that all 5 French ACCs will implement a significant reduction in capacity and consequent regulations starting from approximately 0400 UTC.
It is expected that these capacities will change as staff report for duty as follows:


Paris and Reims ACCs (LFFF/LFEE):
Regulations are planned for Paris until 1030 UTC with a possible extension tactically.
No en route regulations a planned for Reims airspace

Brest and Bordeaux ACCs (LFRR/LFBB):
A minimum service of approximately 33% of normal capacity will available during the morning.
Regulations have been applied until 1030 UTC with possible extension tactically.

Marseille ACC (LFMM):
The strike is expected to be very strongly adhered to with a minimum service of approximately 33% of normal capacity from 0430-1800 UTC with an increase in capacity only after 1800 UTC.
Regulations have been applied until 0800 but are expected to be extended until 1800 during the early morning.


The DGAC is implementing a flight reduction programme as follows:

Arrival and Departures from LFPG, LFPO and LFOB from 0400-1200 UTC that will cross LFMM or LFBB FIR must be reduced by 30%.
Operators should be prepared to reduce their programmes after 1200 UTC if necessary.

Arrival and departures from LFLL and LFML must be reduced by 30% from 0400-1800 UTC as they are wholly within the LFMM ACC

Arrival and departures from LFLL and LFML must be reduced by 30% from 0400-1800 UTC as they are wholly within the LFMM ACC.

Operators to Nice (LFMN)are not requested to reduce their flying programmes, as traffic can route via LIMM (Milan ACC) avoiding LFMM ACC.

More information available via the following DGAC link : CanalBlog

Notams A5702/13, A5703/13, 5704/13, 5705/13 refer.

NMOC is currently coordinating with surrounding ACCs to ensure maximum capacities.
EDYY and LIMM have increased capacities accordingly and regulations are not anticipated.
EDYY may apply short term ATFCM Measures (STAM) as required, delays will be minimal.


Rerouting opportunities will be available including:

Tango Oceanic routes are all fully available but will be regulated to ensure against overload.

Routes via Algeria and Tunisia.: Points SADAF and DOPEL will be regulated to protect Algerian and Tunisian airspace from rerouting traffic.
Details will be published in the network news.

2 alternative routes for traffic using GCRR and GCFV will be available via scenarios AR1ORT and AR2RV.
Details will be published in the network news.

Military activity in TRA305 has been cancelled for the morning however it is still active between 1300-1500.
Details will be published in the network news.

Further rerouting advice may be published tactically as the situation develops