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Europe wide ATC strike on 10 October

Old 17th Sep 2013, 21:19
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Europe wide ATC strike on 10 October

I was sent the following badly written email today. The strike is referenced elsewhere.

Does anyone know if this might happen or if it's just hot air?

Air traffic controller unions have called for its 14,000 members to strike on Thursday, October 10 to protest against the project of a Single European Sky.

Flight cancellations and delays are expected on this day.

The strike should affect flight operations in the following countries: Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Montenegro, Norway, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Roumania, Serbia, Spain, Slovenia and Switzerland.
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 00:44
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Check ATCEUC - Action Day for more information. At the moment it looks like it's more than hot air. Talked to one of our union guys and he told me not to book a flight for the 10th.
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 07:22
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Great, civil servants that want to protest against the industry changing the pathetic inefficient current system set up by politicians .....

Can we strike to get the single sky sooner rather than latter?

Maybe they should strike to make sure that all of European ATC is of the same high standard?
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 08:25
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Be aware that many controllers are in favour of the Single European Sky. Those who are not are the usual suspects from countries which are already well known for their, ehm, below par service and high operating costs.
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 09:01
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<<Great, civil servants >>

ATC staff in some countries are not civil servants.
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 09:11
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The strike should affect flight operations in the following countries: Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Montenegro, Norway, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Roumania, Serbia, Spain, Slovenia and Switzerland.
It seems, then, that UK flights will operate as normal.
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 09:16
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ayroplain, looking at that list, only if you want to remain domestic. Doesn't look like there will be much chance of exiting the UK.....
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 09:21
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Doesn't look like there will be much chance of exiting the UK.....
Calls for controllers to strike are notoriously poorly supported in some countries. Could be relatively straightforward to cross the FIR boundary - the trouble is, you won't know until you try.
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 12:40
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Indeed, the usual suspects and no day trip to RAK for me then
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 12:44
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Don't be worried about this:

The strike should affect flight operations in the following countries: Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Montenegro, Norway, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Roumania, Serbia, Spain, Slovenia and Switzerland.
That's taken from the list of ATCEUC member countries. Many on that list will not be involved in any action.
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 12:46
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So how come us pilots cannot all strike together to protest against the proposed EASA FDP's, zero hours contracts and poor pay, to name but three??
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 12:50
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As far as UK pilots are concerned probably for the same reason that the UK ATCers can't (?) go on strike on Oct 10th.
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 14:15
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Hi Heathrow Director. I appreciate that, apologies for not being clear enough. I was referring to the ones calling the strikes in strike capitols like France and Spain...
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Old 19th Sep 2013, 06:41
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@No RYR for Me:
In spain there is the distinction between civil servants (police for example) who have a job for life and rather low salaries and public workers who are hired by companies owned by the state. They have no guaranteed job but their salaries tend to be more in line with market standard. Spanish atco's belong to the second group.

In any case don't worry too much about Spain going on strike. To my knowledge spanish atco's have not had a strike for the last 10 years. In summer 2010 we voted to go on strike but this was later cancelled through negotiation. In september 2010 there was a general strike in Spain but atcos chose not to participate... and they got nevertheless minimum services ordered of 110%. As for the events in december 2010 the courts are still on it but it looks increasingly like it was a AENA HQ / Government instigated action.
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Old 19th Sep 2013, 08:51
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But I seem to remember a couple of years ago when Spanish ATC did go on strike. Most of spain was closed. The military took over in the Canaries and I remember checking in to an ATSU and getting the response "Canaries Radar controlled by Military".

Also the threw their teddies out and are now punishing pilots and airlines by denying any direct routings. Also new sids and stars seem to have come out that also create more cost to the airlines. BLN2C in AGP is a good example. It was designed to allow traffic to land on RWY 12 as the BLN2H crosses the Rwy track. BUT RWY 12 is only open at weekends, (Great waste of money) so why can't we use BLN2H during the week. It's all over the sea anyway so noise is not a problem.

If your gripe is with the Spanish government or your employer, don't penalise the airlines and passengers that your country relies upon.
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Old 19th Sep 2013, 09:56
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If your gripe is with the Spanish government or your employer, don't penalise the airlines and passengers that your country relies upon.
So, how else do you propose to make a point to a management who won't listen or negotiate?

One of the basic ideas of a strike is to make the users (i.e. major industries, airlines, passengers) aware of an ongoing problem and get them to bear pressure on the responsible management to resolve the matter, preferably in the best interest of all concerned.

Now, if managers did that in the first place there would never be any need for strikes. Simple really.
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Old 19th Sep 2013, 12:56
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It seems, then, that UK flights will operate as normal.
That's because it's a european strike...
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Old 28th Sep 2013, 06:23
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Figures...I'm non-reving through FRA on October 10 :/. Guess I better look into train tickets.

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Old 28th Sep 2013, 13:00
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In a northerly country on that list with a sizeable Oceanic area, such a strike would be illegal. Non-starter.
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