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Bam Thwok 19th Oct 2012 14:31

Think it's the "EVAC" alarm

gorter 19th Oct 2012 14:46

I'm with silverhawk. I thinks irs' on batt, but I've never heard an evac alarm before so don't know.

bracebrace! 19th Oct 2012 14:50

It's the 'Evacuation' alarm. Standard practice to activate it once the 'Evacuate' call from the flight deck has been made. Then again, it's a flight from Glasgow so it could well be the shoplifting alarm on the doors..... :ok:

Telstar 19th Oct 2012 15:02


Pilots left it in Reverse Gear?!
:ok: Like!


It's the 'Evacuation' alarm. Standard practice to activate it once the 'Evacuate' call from the flight deck has been made.
That's given me the best laugh of the thread. It must be the button next to the ejector seats on the centre pedestals?

Dry wretched thunder 19th Oct 2012 15:14

Belter, left it in reverse gear lol lol

bracebrace! 19th Oct 2012 15:15


That's given me the best laugh of the thread. It must be the button next to the ejector seats on the centre pedestals?
Most aircraft have it installed on the overhead panel actually.

Bam Thwok 19th Oct 2012 15:27

It's definitely the "Emergency Evacuation Alarm (Signal)".
It's not part of the flightdeck SOP's to activate it in an evacuation....but if it was in the "Armed" position in the flightdeck, it's possible that the cabin crew activated it on their panel.
Not too sure if it's one of their SOP's if the system is fitted.

Telstar 19th Oct 2012 15:33


It's definitely the "Emergency Evacuation Alarm (Signal)".
Really!? Tell me more. Your knowledge fascinates me.

(what is happening to this board....):(

jet2impress 19th Oct 2012 15:40

Also sounds like the evacuation alarm to me too.... you can also hear it in the LOT 767 gear up landing vid:


And here....


bracebrace! 19th Oct 2012 15:44


(what is happening to this board....)
Two sensible responses to a question about the 'beeping noises' in the video. Your comments are just making you look like an idiot. :ugh:

Telstar 19th Oct 2012 15:53


Your comments are just making you look like an idiot.
You come on here making definitive statements and so does your mate Bam that it is definitely an evacuation alarm when there isn't one fitted on the 737 Those other videos are not 737s. The sound you hear is the IRS alarm as stated previously.

Bam Thwok 19th Oct 2012 16:02

Telstar....true.....not on the 300's !! The 800's are fitted with an Emergency Evacuation Signal.
How do I know this....'cos I've flown this particular aircraft.

Besides...the IRS warning is a steady "horn"....not a high pitch "beeping".

TGIF......

A passenger jet bound for Spain made an emergency evacuation this morning on the runway at Glasgow Airport.

Four people have been taken to hospital and thirteen treated at the scene for shock.

It's thought the panic started when the pilot announced there would be no bar service on the flight.

ls_jet2 19th Oct 2012 16:06

All Jet2 737-800's have evac alarms fitted. That's what you can hear.

Looks like a job very well done.

As usual though it appears people have taken bags with them during their exit looking at the lady coming down the slide in the video.:ugh:

bracebrace! 19th Oct 2012 16:07

If anyone has Telstars address I'm willing to DHL him a large box of humble pie...

As jet2 said, a job well done. Perhaps we can get back to topic now.

transilvana 19th Oct 2012 16:20

I´ve just watched the video on the Iberia evacuation, WTF is going on with the pax? all of them with hand baggage !!!! How can people be so stupid !!!

pzu 19th Oct 2012 16:36

Good to see some of the Punters assisting!!!
 
As a a 'piece of SLF' - I thank God that I've never had to 'evacuate' (though have experienced a couple of aborted take off's);

Re the questionable cameraman - doubtless if it had been a 'HOT' incident he may well have been considering his options!!!

But his film may be of some future use (hopefully in a training capacity)

And to me it appears at least a couple of the Punters were making themselves useful at the bottom of the slide though again if it had been a more serious incident del preservation mode may have been selected!!!

Still GOOD to see that Everyone got off more or less in one piece and that the CHAOS was 'ORGANIZED'!!!

hungryhorse 19th Oct 2012 16:36

Good skills to the crew. Any doubt, no doubt. Quotes of 'absolute panic' - at least he lives to tell the tale.

McBruce 19th Oct 2012 17:13

Alarm sounds like the left IRS on battery discharge. Comes on when you loose AC power, i.e. during an evac you will be on DC battery power so a battery discharge condition exists.

Facelookbovvered 19th Oct 2012 17:31

Unfortunately for Jet2 its not as simple as move on, this will probably be subject to an AAIB investigation and report because of the nature of the problem and of course the injury to pax in the evacuation.

Three are three likely sources of smoke 1) from the engine/A/c packs 2) from de icing fluid 3) the galley ovens (grease from the deep fried Mars bars)

In any event both Jet2 & the AAIB will want to get to the bottom of it and that will involve the AAIB trawling through Jet2 maintenance records for this aircraft

Whilst RTO are not uncommon full blow aircraft evacuations on the runway are and i'm struggling to remember the last one by a UK registered airline?

u0062 19th Oct 2012 18:24

Virgin Atlantic full scale evac a few months ago at lgw

tubby linton 19th Oct 2012 19:30

The last full blown evacuation in the UK was the VS A330 back in the spring.

edi_local 19th Oct 2012 19:48

I do wonder how much of the "total panic" is caused by people not listening to the safety demo and not having a clue what to do, or getting in the way of those who did listen and are trying to get out. One report suggests the crew had to shout at people to leave their cases onboard...is that really where peoples priorities lie when evacuating an aircraft? :} :mad:

2Planks 19th Oct 2012 19:54

And given this was a Friday morning Alicante what % of the pax had already had a few before embarking on the stag/hen night express??!!

fonejacker 19th Oct 2012 20:02

The noise is the EVAC alarm, it's in most airlines standard operating procedures to turn it off during the evacuation, so that other commands can be heard. I don't work for Jet2, so can't say whether their SOPs are different.

EGPFlyer 19th Oct 2012 20:31

The stereotypical references in this thread are cringeworthy:ugh:

2Planks 19th Oct 2012 20:47

Rest assured my comment would have applied if the ac had been leaving STN LBA BHX or anywhere else. ALC was my local airport for 5 years - the standing joke at work for anyone on a Fri AM flight was "How many Elvis's?"

Eff Oh 19th Oct 2012 21:12

Agreed EGPFlyer.......... Cringeworthy! :ugh: := :ugh:

Lord Spandex Masher 19th Oct 2012 21:33

Really, why do we bother?

This whole quote, in particular the bold bit, just highlights how ignorant and stupid passengers can be. Take a bow Jean and Gordon you are utterly deficient. Cretins.

From the Scotsman

Jean Walker said: “It was terrifying. We were about to take off and the plane started shuddering and there were lights flashing and smoke. The crew started shouting ‘get out, get out’.

“We were sitting at the wing, and the girl opened the door and we went out on the wing but there wasn’t a chute there.

“There were about eight or ten of us on the wing and I was saying people couldn’t come out because there was no chute.


“Two girls jumped off the wing on to the ground, they were OK.

“Other people got hurt coming down the chutes, they were inflated but the hostesses were just shouting ‘jump, jump’ and people were just banging into each other at the bottom and about four people were taken to hospital.”

Her husband Gordon added: “The stewardesses were panicking and shouting at people to go one way, then the other.

axefurabz 19th Oct 2012 21:40

Don't suppose anybody noticed the name of Jet2's MD: Ian Doubtfire.

merlinxx 19th Oct 2012 21:44

Leave Ian out of it..
 
I'm glad I don't have to suck up to trash pax that now infest our air carriers:ugh:

Alex757 19th Oct 2012 21:47

"we went out on the wing but there wasn’t a chute there"

It's unbelievable how stupid people are.

LEGAL TENDER 19th Oct 2012 22:01

so many classist comments to denigrate the average passenger on a low cost holiday flight.. Would you like them to apologise for being a paying customer and keeping you/us in a job (I say us even being in ATC, all part of the same system)

cwatters 19th Oct 2012 22:35


"we went out on the wing but there wasn’t a chute there"

It's unbelievable how stupid people are.
Are you saying they are stupid for using the wing exit or for expecting some way down to the ground from there?

I've listened to many safety briefings but can't recall any that said not to use the wing exit (look for your nearest) or explaining how to get down?

Only five days ago people broke legs jumping off the wing..

Several injured after fire on board jet : Views and News from Norway

Lord Spandex Masher 20th Oct 2012 04:31


“There were about eight or ten of us on the wing and I was saying people couldn’t come out because there was no chute.
Are you saying she's clever for trying to keep people in a smoke filled cabin?

There is a way down to the ground and if they'd bothered to even look at the safety card they would have seen this. If the were sitting in the emergency exit row they would have been briefed by the cabin crew.

I would rather have a broken leg than take a breath of something that could kill me.

anengineer 20th Oct 2012 08:44


Originally Posted by edi_local
One report suggests the crew had to shout at people to leave their cases onboard...is that really where peoples priorities lie when evacuating an aircraft?

Look at the Iberia vid Jet2impress posted, you can see pax opening the bins to get their stuff before evacuating.

That said, it's all very well the 'avios' on here snorting derision at the 'stupid' pax. Rolling eyes and pointing fingers at how daft passengers are isn't going to increase safety is it. Accepting that people behave as they do (and probably always will), especially in groups, even moreso in panic, and working in systems to minimise the threats caused by that behaviour is what is needed.

If they'd all burned to death because of half of them trying to get their duty-frees, would this place be filled more with comments about to avert a repeat or comments about how moronic they all were, with references to Darwin awards etc ?

wiggy 20th Oct 2012 09:41


"we went out on the wing but there wasn’t a chute there"

It's unbelievable how stupid people are.
Well that's solved that problem :sad:.

As a regular traveller on a shorthaul type "down the back" I know the standard safety contains a lot of talk about slides and removing high heeled shoes :E but the brief for the overwing exits "stops" at the point you've got out of the exit.....

Now being crew, albeit on another type, I know what to expect when out on the wing...obvious isn't it? That in mind I've just done a straw poll of my family, who also occasionally travel on the same type, and guess what? I've had various answers, at least one of which was "there must be a slide" :uhoh:.......

So as well as kicking myself for not making sure my family have been adequately briefed in that past I also have to ask: Is it just possible some safety briefs need a rethink and a rewrite?

davidjpowell 20th Oct 2012 09:43

I'm going to wander in as an observer - before wandering out.

Every time there is one of these evacuations there are comments about dumb passengers not listening to the briefing, and taking stuff that they should not.

If these really are issues perhaps the industry should change the way that it works, as the safety briefing clearly is not working in its current form.

As it is everyone got out, with few injuries, so perhaps its not such a problem.

Tinribs 20th Oct 2012 09:50

PAX EVAC EXPERTISE
 
We crew have allowed an attitude to develop over many years that it is not cool to read the safety instructions, where no chute would be shown for the wing exits, and talking during the demo is ok

Can you recall anyone seated near you looking about for the nearest exit

When did you ever see a pax feel under a seat for the life jacket when told there is one present of pull a lap strap tight

Passengers feel that we must look after them and they have no part to play in safety, it is perhaps an offspring of the teachers should teach us we have no duty to learn mentality.

It is not just the young. Some years ago a moderately middle aged and rather stuck up male pax carelessly opened an overhead locker causing a case to fall on my head. When I asked him to be more careful and perhaps listen to the cabin crew warning about this danger he said stop making a silly fuss it was an accident, obvously he had no involvement

Windsprite 20th Oct 2012 10:08

Would you believe it? They are speaking English in the evacuation video!!


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