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The first box found and recovered is the FDR.
USNS Grapple has been running a pattern over the bottom ranging from where the FDR was recovered in 150 feet of water and also an area a bit west where the depth is 2,300 feed deep. I wonder if the CVR's pinger is still operating. It is supposed to work for about a month. There must be something of interest in the deep water. The Grapple's recent path can be seen here: Live Ships Map - AIS - Vessel Traffic and Positions |
Nice pictures Machaca:ok:
Predictably this should feed the speculation on this board about the similar looking parts to AF447 and all the possible theories du jour :} |
This report seems odd > > > >
ET409: Search stopped due to bad weather in Lebanon February 8, 2010 ⋅ News Brief "The search operations for the victims , debris and voice recorder ( black box ) of the crashed Ethiopian plane was halted due to bad weather conditions according to Future TV Al Manar TV quoted Minister of Transportation and Public Works Ghazi Aridi said as saying that the investigation committee will issue a report in couple of days and the search will either continue or halted based on the report" Given the current weather report showing southerly wind at 12 knots with light rain. |
etherate
From those pictures which show some fairly large sections, seems to suggest that the airplane was intact before impact. Lends credence to the theories of spatial disorientation postulated earlier.
Re the lightning theories, strangely enough EAL have not had happy experiences at Beirut. I recall many moons ago the first (new) B720B Ethiopian had, (ET-AAG I think) was supposedly destroyed on the ground by lightning in the 1960s. Story at the time was it was struck on landing and the net result was an uncontrolled fire which destroyed the airframe. It makes rather sobering reading in the Ethiopian press and online journals, that many of the crew were replacements for the original crew who had their rosters changed. E.g the Captain rostered for the 409 was changed to enable attending a wedding. Anyway with several international AAIBs input, sounds encouraging that some cause may be discovered in time. |
Now that is what the tail of an aircraft that hits the water intact looks like. :hmm:
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Today: "Lebanese army marine commandos resumed search for the victims of the ill-fated Ethiopian plane while USNS Grapple continued hunt for the second black box."
(TAFs had forecasted winds tempo 20g30 knots and thunderstorms since yesterday afternoon, and still today up to 26 knots. Actuals were indeed 15g27 early today. Beirut airport is by the sea so presumably the wind at sea is not that much stronger than at the airport, but anyway those conditions are not very nice for salvage. Hopefully operations can progress today.) |
Ocean Explorer was out this morning but returned after a few hours.
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What is in the second container of water pictured above?
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looks like a servo
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Pilot error?
Dutch newssite reports: crash caused by pilot error. This would be the first conclusion after a readout of the FDR, 'according to a source close to the investigation'.
Fout piloot oorzaak crash bij Libanon | nu.nl/buitenland | Het laatste nieuws het eerst op nu.nl |
Lovely. Call off the investigating parties, case closed.
What bunk. |
The story is from Reuters, English version (NY Times):
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2010/...non-crash.html BEIRUT (Reuters) - Pilot error caused the crash of an Ethiopian Airlines plane off the coast of Lebanon last month which killed all 90 people on board, a source familiar with the investigation into the accident said Tuesday. "The investigation team has reached an early conclusion that it was pilot error, based on the information from the black box," the source told Reuters. |
GPWS?
I could imagine that the guys were not aware of their wrong (eastbound) heading, ran into a warning from their EGPWS (the terrain rises steeply, some peaks around 3000 meters) and lost control during their escape maneuver, which probably had to be carried out in very unstable air!
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Ethiopian plane 'exploded' after take-off says Lebanon Health minister
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So we're told "pilot error caused the crash" of an airplane that "exploded during flight", and "no terrorism" is involved.
How does one accomplish that? |
Originally Posted by repariit
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So we're told "pilot error caused the crash" of an airplane that "exploded during flight", and "no terrorism" is involved.
How does one accomplish that? "pilot error": reported by Reuters, sourced from Beirut, from their correspondent there, attributed to someone close to the team who has access to FDR data. So, it might be actually an (maybe not everybody's) preliminary opinion within the group of people in the center of the investigation. "exploded": Offered by the Lebanon health minister, because of the state and location of some recovered corpses. He probably made it up. "no terrorism": As currently nothing points into that direction, and given the general inclination to suspect terrorism and/or consipracy when it comes to airplanes falling from the sky, especially in that region (to witness also in this forum), you'll have to have solid evidence before anybody official will say the opposite. |
Ethiopian Airlines DOES NOT rule out sabotage in Beirut crash
Lebanon news - NOW Lebanon -Ethiopian Airlines does not rule out sabotage in Beirut crash
Looks like this will be another Lebanese "Find the truth... if ever..." issue & Public Works and Transportation Minister Aridi told NOW on Wednesday that search teams found the second black box of the Ethiopian plane that crashed in January as well as additional victims’ bodies. Only DNA testing can identify the remains, he added. They identified one of the bodies on Tuesday afternoon as the Pilot. |
Odyssey Explorer has reappeared on the internet AIS tracking system 720 nm west of Beirut. ETA is 0200 on the 15th. It is interesting that it is proceeding as though it remains under contract to Lebanon to join an on going search effort, despite various reports that the effort could be terminated soon.
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DEBKA Article
Sorry, but having read that Debka article, the political bias is shocking.
Bear in mind the recent very heated relationship between the Lebanon and Israel and the Israeli political position in the broader sense of the word in the middle east. And how incredibly convenient - now the memory module is now missing. Did anybody say Mossad? |
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