Pablo Mason Tribunal
 

I thought some may be interested the the employment tribunal for Pablo Mason is about to begin....
Coventry Telegraph - News - Coventry News - Robbie Savage pilot sacking tribunal starts

Good luck to him.

At least have the decency to spell his name properly :rolleyes:

I don't think he's got much chance personally. He knowingly and deliberately violated a standard operating procedure. Add the magic word "Security" into the mix and everyone panics and bays for his blood.

Which is a shame, as I read his book a while ago, and although he comes across as opinionated and forever butting heads with those in authority, there's no denying that he seems like a good man, a decent human being and that he cares about his colleagues and the men who were under his command.

It seems that he was destined for greater things than a life in civvy street where the rules and regulations are always allowed to override common sense. :(

Good luck to him in the future. :ok:

Ten West

Agreed.

I have heard that there have been some various security breaches. One story I heard, the pilot was flying with an AXE IN THE COCKPIT!!!! Can you believe it? Well I assume he was searched at security, to check he had no weapons etc.

Wonder if they "got him" on that one, for a breach of security? :ugh:

one time, I heard, he had 20T of kerosene too:eek:

Oh that's it then, he's had it. Hasn'T got a leg to stand on.

We are co politically correct about security procedures here in the UK, we do not see any sense or logic when it comes to it. Everybody jumps at it and follows it blindly as it's the right thing to do. Anybody thinking outside the bracket is savaged by the press ,as this is what sells best nowadays.
The Italians were absolutely right after September 11 stating it was specifically an American problem. "SECURITY" the biggest bull of the the 21st century?
A company I work for ( on the continent) allows a member of a family on a flight deck given sufficient notice and security clearance, can you do this anywhere in the UK? Wishful thinking.
We are all victims of it all. I hope Pablo has a very good lawyer, but I am not very optimistic about his case.

Good luck

PB

So how many final written warnings does a pilot expect before the big chopper? Lovely man that he is, he just never did learn!

Somewhere on the web was a video of one of his excellent announcements to his passengers, done from the front handset in the cabin, face to face with the public. I just can't find it now, does anybody know where it is if it still exists?

Don't worry, we have thousands of USAFE troops stationed on European soil to defend you and the Italians:

U.S. Air Forces in Europe - Home

A company I work for ( on the continent) allows a member of a family on a flight deck given sufficient notice and security clearance, can you do this anywhere in the UK? Wishful thinking.

Posh Boy, you're so right! When are our lords and masters going to stand up for us? We are the very people who have a vested interest in the safe conduct of a flight yet we are treated as possible hijackers. This is not a dig at the Security staff - they are simply doing what they are told.

High time a sense of realism was injected. Why shouldn't we have our immediate family on our own flight deck, especially after a sensible period of notice?

Can you do this in UK? Of course, provided the company agrees. Only last week I flew two trips with my wife in the co-pilot's seat. No-one worried.

Pablo Mason was right. The rules remain wrong.

Yes, the rules are wrong. This is a key part of what this tribunal will be about.

Postings from blindly obedient, law-following folk will doubtless profess that complying with the rules/law is the only correct way. Sad, really. Remember how things went following the Weimar Republic. The law is sometimes more than ass.

Sick to death of all of the aviation industry,security and P.C. mad people. Nobody has the balls in this country to speak out anymore. Guess where I'am going on holiday this year .... yes the Isle of Wight , totally p**sed off with the whole aviation experience (event ?)

Beardy
 

I don't have a link to a video, but my wife and I were on a flight from Birmingham to Murcia several years ago when we witnessed the sort of cabin-based announcement you refer to.

From memory, his announcement included wishing a young passenger happy birthday and how he (Pablo) would have loved to have been able to fly at a young age. He also said it was a shame the boy wouldn't be able to visit the flight deck during the flight because of the rules.

As we taxied out he drew our attention to some plane spotters and remarked that was what he used to do as a boy.

I seem to recall that he was standing in the cockpit door wishing everyone a good holiday as we disembarked in Murcia.

In any other business such a personable approach would most-likely be commended as generating customer satisfaction and loyalty.

I cannot comment on any technical aspects of the flight, except to say it was completely uneventful.

I sympathise with Pablo's plight, but doubt if the Judge will have much in the way of options to let him off the hook. The unfortunate fact remains that he boke the cardinal rule...he got caught!

Security is a sensitive issue, and one that is being blown out of all proportion, especially by those who are raking it in as security service advisors/providors.

I really do hope that Pablo wins this but it doesn't look easy.

Does anyone know if BALPA are supporting Pablo in this?

Slightly off topic, I admit, but the subject of cockpit visits was raised. I'm amazed that one airline I know off has the policy that a non-staff member, travelling with a staff member may occupy the cockpit jump seat if the a/c is full. Staggering! The reason being is that they are not a fare paying pax. They are not flight safety trained, have no ID etc. Surely the airline ID carrying staff member should be in the cockpit, not some non-security checked individual.
Double standards or crass stupidity?

Im not 100% sure but think the sterile flight deck is a company rule rather than legal, as some UK operators still allow jump seating for those that meet the criteria. Be interesting to see what comes out of the case.

Just seen this on the BBC, the latest update after today's hearings;

BBC NEWS | England | Pilot disciplined before breach

Why any discussion? I have sympathy for the guy as he sounds a right character, but at the end of the day he broke the rules one time too many (it's called taking the p*ss in my neck of the woods).

It looks as though the company followed the correct legal procedure in that he had received written warnings and still broke a company rule. His contract would probably state that he is required to abide by company SOPs and regulations and he probably signed a copy as acceptance. I can't see the judge being interested in Mason's own opinions, they are irrelevant, the company didn't give him licence to interpret the SOPs/rules. He was sacked for persistently breaking company rules despite having been warned, security is hardly an issue.

Foul Play
 

I think its really foul play that this guy lost his job ....no pun intended .

Being a larger than life character has its good points & bad .

But an n individual like this chap will always attract attention .

Usually because others are insecure around such a charismatic character .

It seems to me that the powers that be had been waiting in the wings ready to take their oppurtunity to get rid of poor Pablo !

But seriously what type of security threat is a professional footballer ?

And a famous one at that !

Its a farce the whole scenario ...

I don't hold up much hope for the guy but i love the fact that he's not going down without a fight !

I for one wish him all the best .

Isn't it a crazy world. On one hand we have a Pilot losing his job over a 'security' incident by letting a well known English football player onto the flight deck. Flip side, I see one of the muslim protesters in Luton is a baggage handler there with airside access. That's ok though coz it's polically correct.

Our Part A is quite clear: "Flight deck visits are prohibited".

It may be that Pablo is relying on flaws in the way his case was handled: if the prescribed process was not followed exactly, he may have a case for having the decision reversed.

We all love a maverick and a character, but he over stepped the mark once too often:= Rules is rules folks however we dislike them, if it's in the book, then it's in the book, he broke the rules once too often, he got canned:ugh:

Not in todays industry, yesterdays yes.

merlin xx

Yes understand what you are saying. However he was prepared to make a stand on this total B/S called security. If he was backed up by us all we still would not be living with this B/S now. So we continue to be led like sheep to the slaughter because that is what we all are, a load of e**** sheep.

Remember the concentration camps in the middle of last century? I rest my case.

We all have a bigger challenge here coming up with the ID card fiasco. I am waiting to see who is going to make a stand. I just wonder if BALPA have the stomach to do so? Time will tell but time is also running out.

Doubleu,
You make a brilliant point (as always), if we continue to tolerate this TOTAL bullsh*t then we can blame no-one but ourselves for where it all ends up....

I'm routinely scanned/searched/verified prior to getting onto the plane but the stupid FACT these idiots ignore is that the biggest weapon I have is the plane itself, the next thing in the 'security' issue may be no flying at all - its far too dangerous. Tell you what, why not take the train instead? After all terrorists would never target a train would they????????????????
:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Every day I go to work and have to face this bloody fiasco called security I feel a little more depressed.

Let me tell you a little story of how effective Luton airport security is! Despite employing British troop hating muslims!

Day 1 ( corporatde aircraft)
Private flight for owner,I carried on a highly dangerous pint of milk that had not been cleared by security however today it was not really dangerous as it was a private flight.

Day 2
Charter flight same aircraft same airport same crew Highly dangerous pint of milk from the same source as the previous day. Only thank godness this time we had to be screened and the security staff explained how dangerous the pint of milk was and confescated it!

I now do not carry any pints of milk on board and still have sleepless nights of what could have happend had the pint of milk gone off! ( let alone the explosion that could have occured had I drunk it after it had gone off) I'm sure that Luton airport security services have their hands full so full stopping these highly dangerous pints of milk from getting airside that they have no time for such trivial matters as properly screening airside pass holders that hate our nation and the brave troops that put they're lives on the line to ensure our freedom!

And another triumphant security story!

This time standing at near the check in counter at RAF Brize Norton a British soldier in full battle dress was checking in for a flight to Khanderha and was asked by security if he was carrying any dangerous weapons, I replied immeadiatley on his behalf that I should bl***y hope so as where he was going he would probably need them!

The above is typical of the rule based complete lack of common sence sociaty we have allowed to develope around us! The computer says no so it must be no sorry I'm an i**** and cannot or will not think for myself!

Hard to believe that the company sacked him without any complaint from the public or anyone else. Sounds like they were waiting for an opportunity and he gifted them one.

Not My Travel method in the future - pax should vote with their ticket money.

Have you considered that some members of the travelling public may prefer the crew to follow the SOPs?

I have no reason to disbelieve Mr Mason when he says the flight was not endangered, but if SOPs are not followed in one area, many people will ask what guarantee is there that they will be followed in another area?

This is not the way I think, but many will and I wouldn't expect to see too much public retribution against MyTravel - anyway, most people will buy the best deal.

The 'security keeps us safe' argument appears quite frequently in SLF, where I normally live and although several of us try to debunk it, we don't often succeed.

The best thing to do is to follow company SOPs on this to the letter and I regret that, as I was privileged to spend some hours in the flight deck before 9/11 and it was a real privilege.

I won't bother too much but
 

If Mason has repeatedly gone against SOP's and not heeded warnings...
At what stage do you sack them? Before or after they become part of a spectacular incident/accident?

I'm sorry to say those who don't understand why SOP's exist. They are there for a very good reason and when someone like Pablo repeatedly ignores them, it does not inspire his employer with confidence.




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Pablo is a true Gent and a top man I worked alongside him for many years always a pleasure to work with jolly good chap!!!

We all know people like Pablo. If the speed limit is 70 they'll go at 90.

Their brains are wired like that.

Getting back to the subject - which has drifted off to cockpit access - inbetween the rants and the pops! .… who should you let ride on the jump seat? Who can you trust? As a staff member the jump seat has helped me get back from places I would otherwise be stuck at for longer than I wanted. Now I can only use the seat if it is duty travel. The following summary happened back in 1994 or 95 but it took 9/11 before a common policy was introduced. Even so, this common policy was/is aimed at ‘unknowns’ and not ‘knowns’ (if there is such a word!). The Pilot was dead - heading on the jump seat so, should even those on duty travel be denied cockpit access?

“A jury rejected an insanity defense yesterday and convicted a former Federal Express pilot of attacking the crew of a FedEx jet with a hammer and spear gun at 18,000 feet.
Auburn Calloway, 42, could get 20 years to life in prison for attempted air piracy. No date was set for sentencing.
Witnesses said Calloway feared he was about to be fired, and Assistant U.S. Attorney John Fowlkes told the jury he may have wanted to crash the plane so his children could collect a $250,000 accidental-death insurance policy.”

I did the computer did not. Decency had nothing to do with it......Mr spelling policeman:8...
Anyway, it has now been rectified.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Go Pablo......!!!

if there were more immigrants like him we may have the pride to call ourselves " Great Britain " again.....

have a word chaps....

hugs

xxx

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The Watchword is RELIABILITY
 

Yes, you can. One of the prime requisites for being a captain is reliability. It appears, from this thread, that the subject is not reliable.

SOP and security are now subjected to be the Captain a good chap?
Common sense? Where starts and where stops? Regulations are regulations...
A stupid question...you are standing at a red traffic light, no cars coming...common sense is that is safe to cross the junction with the red light!
I will not cross, because the rules says that I cannot, what will you do?
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