Maybe is beyond me...however your logic does not stand.
You are talking about instruction received, not rules. I was just trying to say that your comparison cannot stand any logic, even for a SLF.
Dismissing my comment only because I am SLF, does not do any good to your reasoning. The issue here is, follow the rules or not follow them.
Let me say something for which I am qualified as SLF, I would not sit in a plane with PM in front! A guy that is prone to break rules for the shake of his ego does not satisfy my safety standards.

Dream Buster

Did you actually do the things you were "invited" to do and, if so, would you have been happy to do so knowing that when the :mad: hit the fan YOU would have been the one without anyone defending you as YOU were the one who took the decision to agree to these things? Do you REALLY think that anyone would have stood up and said "it ws my fault he did it"? But you are talking about different circumstances, trying to use any method possible to defend the indefensible.

Doesn't matter what the "who/what/why" was, you are admitting here that you freely did things you shouldn't have, against the rules of at least your employer and possibly the CAA, and still can't see why, when someone DELIBERATELY IGNORED said rules and decided to do something without any questions being asked, and probably for his own ego (Think of a taxi driver.. "I had that Robbie Savage in my cockpit last week, nice guy"), said ":mad: the rules". You agree with him.

I'm glad he has been kicked out, because it is MY life in his hands if I fly on one of that company's aircraft so I want to KNOW they will behave according to all applicable regulations in every aspect of these regulations. I WANT to know the guy driving the thing is doing the right thing and not massaging his own ego.. If you are still flying, tell me who for (PM if you want, I can assure you I won't say who. I do have more honour than most people on this planet) so I can avoid them because someone who admits a blatant disregard of regs is dangerous.

I read this entire thread. I feel a hint of commiseration for Mr. P.M.
because he was caught repeatedly. At the same time he was lucky nothing sinister happened during his Airline time.
However, I agree with all those who have written that the SOPs have been studied and developed to be respected for the safety of all us passengers & crews in large multi-engined Airliners.
Any disrespect of it puts at potential risk not only one driver but an entire loaded multimillion Airline A/C.

In accordance with the PPrune philosophy of that Forum:
I opened this thread a few days ago under Passengers & SLF (Self Loading Freight) that maybe a sideways related topic from the Passenger's point of view:

http://www.pprune.org/passengers-slf...-_-survey.html

It does no-longer have the character of a "survey", but just a thread where to report your own experiences and/or knowledge on the matter for us passengers to learn.

Sorry for drifting O.T. -- bust or chastizise if necessary.

Why oh why do people post on these threads when they clearly have not read them prior to coming up with their little gems of wisdom. "did you know there is an old saying that rules are for the...blah blah blah", talking YET again about PM, tornado crashes, not his fault, blah blah.

MODS, please, please lock this thread. I have never seen a thread be allowed to continue for so long when it contains so much sh**e from so many people that neither know the guy nor Know the rules. He screwed up, he went to an employment tribunal, he lost, end of case. For those in the last few pages saying what a good guy, how nice in defeat etc, think about it! PM will do very very well from the publicity with his books, public speaking etc.

Last point. Pablo, I cannot believe for one minute that you have not been reading this thread. For Gods sake put everybody out there misery and make a comment and then have the thread locked. Alternatively, could the original poster press delete on the thread. Thanks.

Roger S

I think PM has posted, only he called himself Hawker750 ;)

What a fantastic pilot selection process the RAF and this charter outfit had?

Pablo
 

People think Pablo is me!!
I do not want to read the complete thread so forgive me if this has been covered before but what I want to know is how did "The Management" get to know of my, sorry his discretion?
1) I do not think he would have volunteered the information
2) Does the management have a camera in the cockpit?
3) I cannot imagine a steely eyed first officer playing sneak
So it must have been a chip on the shoulder cabin crew who reported him.

Can anybody with certainty explain how it happened?

Soooooo many ways. Pablo COULD have said something which was overheard. F/O might have said something. C/C might have said something. Of course, we can't rule out Savage HIMSELF saying something which was overheard by others, or, indeed, any other person on the flight saying something. So many variables.

Does it really matter ow management found out though? Personally, I don't think it does.

...besides, the evidence was right there in the CVR, was it not?:hmm:

Well at my Tribunal I was in the right and BMI were profoundly in the wrong, but I did not detect any level of support, or indeed, such vociferous interest in the outcome.

Maybe I did something wrong, won.

I hate to say it, but I think in this case it was only right to terminate this Captains contract. I am all for sensible security rules and SOP's but in this situation the rule was and still is 'no flight deck visits permitted', to knowingly go against this was a poor decision and always was putting his position at risk just on this one point let alone all of the other instances as well!! In my experience Captains like Pablo are always a nightmare to fly with, on the surface they are 'jolly' lovely guys but behind the flightdeck door there are 'rebels' hidden beneath who's sole purpose just seems to be 'challange' all the rules that they don't like at every turn making for a very unpleasant day out.

Artificial Horizon

Spot on fella! All points I have been trying to make since this thread started way back.

Your interpretation of the chap is EXACTLY right.
Case closed, thread stopped.

Can we move our lives on now???? :D

I can only assume that as this thread keeps going round and round and round, and round and round and round that Pablo must in fact be one of the Mods, and is stopping the thread being closed.

Would any airline employ Pablo after this ?

AFAIK PMs in his late 50s so reaching the end of his CPL life. Being a cynical so-and-so I reckon that he reckoned that the publicity from this should tee him up nicely for his next career of after-dinner speaking and so on.

Cats Five

Exactly!

Now can someone please close the thread.

Given the amount of flak the Mods have had to take from PPRuNers quite recently regarding accusations of "Censorship" and "Unreasonable Deleting" etc. in other parts of this BB I think the various time wasters, vvankers and other hamsters have been very well treated and accommodated on this thread.

Mason, with two final warnings on his file, chose to blatantly disregard his company's and the JAAs/CAAs instructions/rules regarding flight deck visits, silly man. Endex.

Artificial Horizon and parabellum are spot on.

My opinion of Pablo, as one who flew with him several times at Airtours (which later became MyTravel):

As a Human Being, nowhere near an aeroplane...
One of the kindsest, most considerate, warm-heared, compassionate and generous men it's ever been my privelidge to know. The kind of chap who makes you feel just that bit happier and content in life simply by being in his company, putting a warm glow in your heart and smile on your face that will linger long after you've bid him goodbye.

As a single-crew/military pilot...
I'm not qualified to say. Perhaps his record speaks for itself.

As a multi-crew/airliner pilot...
An absolute disaster area on legs. A total liability. An incident (of which he had several), indeed possibly worse, just waiting to happen. An anathema to inter-pilot CRM (whilst being brilliant with the crew and passengers). A man who will literally scare you when you go flying together, to the degree that you'll still be affected long after the Parking Brake is set. The kind of name that makes one bang his head in disbelief and dread when it appears on your roster. When he was finally sacked, he wasn't on his umpteenth formal warning for no reason. Need I continue....

The truth might hurt sometimes but that doesn't stop it from being true. I do genuinely wish Pablo all the best for his future. He certainly deserves it.

Baby called Pablo??????
 

I flew with Pablo in 1970's, did Medevac Feb 16 1979, pregnant woman, think they called baby Pablo anybody know if it was true.

Brgds Pablo all clear above and behind

Mole Man :ok: