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Absynthe 10th Jun 2008 21:15

Tailwind Landing
 
I see a strong tailwind blowing over the acft, but maybe it turned around when it went of the rwy.

AircraftOperations 10th Jun 2008 21:16

ITV just reported a "quote" from the Airport Manager who said the problem occured whilst the aircraft was taxying after landing safely.

No idea if this is accurate - would certainly be unusual.

Flight Safety 10th Jun 2008 21:29

Several reports from mulitple sources are saying an explosion occurred somewhere on the right wing after the aircraft landed and was taxying.

Eagle402 10th Jun 2008 21:37

I flew in and out of Khartoum regularly in the late 70's/early 80's and the standards of firefighting/rescue kit was abysmal then and that was when BA (VC-10), Air France (707) and Lufthansa (727) were operating weekly services to the strip.

On start up you were lucky if a 'fireman' stood by with an extinguisher but even then you knew it was empty.

I doubt these poor souls stood a chance when you consider the decades of neglect Sudan has suffered since.

golfyankeesierra 10th Jun 2008 21:55

From the aviation herald:

The director of the airport, Yusuf Ibrahim, told local TV stations, that the airplane had landed normally, the flight crew discussing the taxi route with the tower, when the explosion occured.
So they got taxi instructions... (and is doesn't sound like something that he made up), this would indeed suggest a normal landing and that something happened after that.

G-CPTN 10th Jun 2008 22:01

An incident such as this highlights the need to keep gangways clear to facilitate rapid exit if necessary.
Doubtful if external firefighters could have influenced the result (at least from the available videos, though who knows how quickly the fire developed?).

Austrian Simon 10th Jun 2008 22:06


Originally Posted by Flight Safety (Post 4172951)
Several reports from mulitple sources are saying an explosion occurred somewhere on the right wing after the aircraft landed and was taxying.

Flight Safety,

indeed, surviving passengers now report, that there were about 2-3 minutes between the landing and the right hand engine catching fire.

http://avherald.com/h?article=408093a8

Servus, Simon

ex dog 10th Jun 2008 22:17

Aircraft crash in KRT
 
BBC , News reporting pax jet landing in a sandstorm and rain (a bit dubious both at the same time) belonging to Sudan Airways , many killed burst into flames

Sudan Airways , doesn't really suprise you really !!!!!!!!

armchairpilot94116 10th Jun 2008 22:28

http://cbs5.com/national/sudan.plane....2.744964.html

Doors to Automatic 10th Jun 2008 23:04

Watching SKY News it looks to have come to rest in an area of rough ground and there's what appear to be approach lights close by.

derekl 10th Jun 2008 23:13

Given the strife in the area, is it just possible that this could have been a terrorist attack? Aircraft landed, taxying, suddenly No 2 catches fire. Seems odd.

Gumby01 10th Jun 2008 23:14

One video showed the aircraft sitting with at least the nose and left main landing gears down, the fuselage seemed in one piece, although hard to tell after it had oviously been been burning for some time. If just the right main collapsed and the fire broke on the right side, I would think that more people would have escaped as in previous similar accidents.

silversaab 10th Jun 2008 23:14

Wonder if it hit something after landing?

beamender99 10th Jun 2008 23:32

Revised loss figures
 
BBC News 24 now reporting that Sudan have revised loss of life to at least 28. ( twenty eight)

White Knight 11th Jun 2008 02:36

daikilo - don't be surprised that there are no firefighters to be seen.... TIA

Red Top Comanche 11th Jun 2008 06:31

bbc link
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7447243.stm

BMEDFO 11th Jun 2008 06:59

Nothing has changed Eagle 402.

"On start up you were lucky if a 'fireman' stood by with an extinguisher but even then you knew it was empty."

They still do it- if your lucky! :)

Flying into KTM you can expect the unexpected. Not to talk to ATC some times until your 300 miles from KTM. Perhaps 1-2 hours of no area ATC. Being cleared for an ILS approach when its on test and if it's not working. Dubious ATC clearences. Horrendous weather, Thunderstorms and dust storms. Limited parked and in very tight spaces.

And the man with ground to air machine guns still sits by the runways.

Oh David Learmount was talking on TV saying in this modern day this kind of accident shouldn't be happening! He has obviously never operated into a airfield in Sudan! :ugh:

RIP to all those who died.

And apart from being 'dry' KTM is quite a nice nightstop with very friendly people. ;)

yellowsub 11th Jun 2008 07:29

When I first went into KRT about three years ago. There was no paint on the runway at all and an aircraft that appeared to have overun the threshold & come to rest had people camped under the wing.

They have spent some money and painted markers and have had radar installed but I sometimes wonder as to whether they know how it works.

As said, everything has to be taken with a pinch of salt there. Best to do the procedure, ignore the 'vectors' and as for the 'latest' tower wx, it could be anything. More than two aircraft at a time and the ATC can't cope.

What ever the cause, the place and everything that goes on there is shonky.

It's the same in a lot of venues out that way.

cochise 11th Jun 2008 07:46

we were approaching Khartoum yesterday afternoon at the same time as the Sudan Airways flight. A C-130 that landed reported severe turbulence on final. With this the Sudan Airways flight decided to divert to Port Sudan. We continued to KTM and came over head the field at 8000', took a visual, did a short approach and landed. There was a small clear radius around the field that was clear but the weather surrounding it was bad and closing in. There was an extreme amount of standing water on the runway when KLM landed 20 mins after us, we were suprised that no one had gotten flame outs on the rollout.
We got home, threw on the news and couldn't believe our eyes.

lgw-morph 11th Jun 2008 08:26

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4110607.ece
 
It would appear that some survivors were able to leave the airport without the authorities being aware, so unable to confirm the numbers of survivors!


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