mytravel pilot loses appeal
 

The BBC are reporting that Pablo Mason, the MYT capt. who allowed footballer Robbie savage onto his flight deck during a private charter to try and help his fear of flying, has had his appeal against his sacking denied.
Now i know there are rules, but come on. Where has common sense gone in this world??:ugh:
Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/7111883.stm

Security and common sense ? I don't think so!!!!!!! It is just an excuse for a small number of people to get rich and a job creation plan for the numptys.

However I feel that Pablo is not a victim of the security mafia. It would seem that the company had an agenda with him and "security" was the perfect excuse to get rid of him.

I have no problem with Pablo's action in letting the guy see the flight deck but have to question his judgment with the current security climate now that the truly stupid are in charge and no one is able to question them.

The airline involved, from what I had gathered, from the original posting of this subject on pprune, is that Myt was already looking for a reason to sack this guy, and he gave them all the justification, doing something like that in the US is actually a violation of federal law...and you could lose your licence, pay fines or go to jail---definitely lose your carreer---


At least he has a chance to get another job, and perhaps this is a learning experience for him to do better at a different company or find a company that better suits his management style.


Many folks want to go into the airlines and would gladly follow the rules of their company or nation in order to assure a long tenure---please don't think I'm on a mudslinging expedition....However, he seems to have little choice available but to pick up the pieces and procede on.

and on that I wish him good luck

Pablo Mason what a legend.

Wasn't he the one who vividly highlighted how rediculous some of the security procedures were and how officious the people implementing them had become at BHX?

Pablo Mason what a legend.

Wasn't he the one who vividly highlighted how rediculous some of the security procedures were and how officious the people implementing them had become at BHX?

Yup!

Well I for one hope he makes a speedy return to flying asap.

S

A poor decision in many respects but Pablo will bounce back and continue to behave in a manner that enhances the environment around him.

playing devil's advocate, if he was "pardoned", wouldnt that throw some kind of a green light at other pilots (especially new ones) who would think there is some kind of flexibility in the law?

Well one lesson that has been reenforced by this hoohaa and which we all probably know too well is their is no room for mavericks in this job. I wish Pablo well however.

Afraid you are right NSR!

Any bets that a huge publicity stunt will follow, with Branson trying to 'rescue' Pablo?

Flame away, it's just little old me being cynical and having seen the Bearded One do something similar with ex-BA staff

Well if Robbie Savage gives Pablo a week of his own wages, that will be enough money to keep him going while he writes another book.

Unfortunate experience for the gentleman involved but this day and age the opportunities for a maverick to buck the system are negligible in Civil aviation. May well have not been the case in a Tornado at 500kt and 100ft but I wish the adaptability that Pablo saw to enhance his survival in Iraq could have been brought over to Civil aviation. The FO,irrespective of his experience would have been feeling uncomfortable at this breach of Company procedures. How easy it would have been for Pablo,mindful of the PR advantages in flying the football team, to have sought approval prior to take of both with MYT and HIS CREW prior to taking such a Cavalier step. All this gunk about nervous pax needing to visit the F/deck just does not wash.
regards
Capt 20,000hrs P1 Jet 12,000

Bit harsh in my opinion. However, rules are rules i suppose...

I remember the days when i was little going on holiday with my parents and having flight deck visits :{

Pablo flew us back from Knock to Birmingham a couple of years ago and gave the most original and entertaining preflight briefing I've ever had. Good luck to him.

Quite right, Flaps 80.

Sorry Pablo, your in the wrong and an example has been made of you.

Good Luck for the Future. (Get a job at the DFT and change the daft rules mate!)

I wonder how many flying careers started with a flight deck visit?
Sad that Pablo chose this point in time to use his enviable PR skills on behalf of such a myopic employer. Lack of judgement I fear.
Hope all goes well for him.
Perhaps as display pilot for Tornado To The Ether in a few years time ??
Be lucky
David
I dont think TTTE is new but it fits quite well I thought:O

I'm surprised that MyTravel haven't responded publicly as they must be aware of the bad publicity they've brought upon themselves.

Pablo was always going to be a high profile target. If they felt this was a fight they really, really wanted to pick they should have gone about it a different way. Pretty stupid really.

Hey Pablo!! Come and join us in the bizjet world. Passenger visits to the cockpit are practically mandatory for us :O

playing devil's advocate, if he was "pardoned", wouldnt that throw some kind of a green light at other pilots (especially new ones) who would think there is some kind of flexibility in the law?

Could have been cleared up with a short but stern email to the pilot though no? No need to involve the media quite as heavily if you ask me.

The law isn't flexible but under the circumstances maybe the result was a bit harsh.

Just reading up on the guy, apparantly he's an excellent after-dinner speaker too, plenty of oportunities coming his way I'm sure.

"doing something like that in the US is actually a violation of federal law...and you could lose your licence, pay fines or go to jail---definitely lose your carreer--- "

True, but he was not in the US so what is your point?

MyT sounds like a wanky operation anyway; he will get snapped up by a quality operator if he so wishes, however mavericks and whistle blowers do not do very well though these days in civil aviation. He should consider running hard from airline flying; from the coverage he has gotten he seems to think he does not have to observe the same rules and regulations that others he works with do, which is not a good multi crew cockpit situation.

Plenty of Pablos before this one. You can only go so far fixing the world. Sounds like he thought he was untouchable, or at least he did not like being just another number in a roster system. Shame for it to get to this level of publicity though.

A and C has an excellent point: :)

:mad:

However, let's not all forget the fundamental 'reason' for all these security 'precautions'. Take that away, and we can get rid of this nonsense... :ugh:

MyT sounds like a wanky operation anyway
 

That is one of the funniest, most apt and indeed, correct comments I've read
in a while!:D
Rgds
The Moss:ok:
PS. I'm not bitter, just experienced:rolleyes:

Anyone know where the appeal can be read.I tried this site but nothing as yet?
http://www.employmentappeals.gov.uk/...Judgments.aspx

Quote:

"Could have been cleared up with a short but stern email to the pilot though no? No need to involve the media quite as heavily if you ask me."

Who involved the media? I very much doubt that MYT called the BBC with the results of the appeal............:ugh:

To all those heaping praise on the good Capt Mason, I suggest you read some of the more informed posts on the initial thread on this subject (or if is already merged then go back a few pages). Breaking a basic company SOP when you have already had your wrist slapped makes your future career prospects fairly grim reading.

The only place for 'Mavericks' is in dodgy homo-erotic movies from the 80's about a certain US Naval establishment. They do not belong in the cockpit of modern, multi-million pound airliners.

Big Tudor Exactly my point. Too many ex swing winger:yuk: jocks here at VS anyway!

Clearly far too many people at VS using the word 'jocks'... :\:mad::cool:

wouldn't Mr Savage have thought it was 'risky' even to ask to go into the cockpit?? i mean nowadays since September 11th?????

i think Savage should give some sort of compensation package to Pablo for the risk he took in allowing him into the flightdeck. i mean im sure he could stretch to a little with the 'ridiculous' wage he's on!

Sorry, ref previous post ,think i have jumped the gun, I didnt realize it is still at the company appeal stage....:oh::oh:

To all those heaping praise on the good Capt Mason
 

BT, On the face of it your comments are correct and obviously 'quite' well informed.I do find it strange however, that you have such allegiance to an outfit that had you over.........
Rgds
The Moss:ok:

Rules are rules. Once upon a time I worked for Big Airways where I flew a very big aeroplane but age discrimination forced me to leave at the tender age of 55. My little boy now flies almost as big aeroplanes for the same company. Can his Daddy visit him on the flt deck to see how his baby is doing. No he can't, but I don't think this is is the fault of Big Airways but the fault of the CAA, but there you are, rules are rules

FOK and others
 

FOK and others who write in the same vein.

From what has been posted here already it seems Pablo wasn't sacked for this offence alone but as the culmination of several previous brushes with management.

So yes, sacking for one offence may be harsh but I don't think he was sacked for just this one offence.

Ballymoss,

I think 'had me over' is possibly putting it a bit strong. I worked there, and now I don't for reasons that are nothing to do with this thread.
As for allegiances, mine go as far as the next pay check. :ok:

You do seem to have me at something of an advantage in terms of identity. :confused:

Another victory of rules over common sense..........:ugh:
Yes, SOP's were broken, but who here would argue that these idiotic rules have advanced aviation safety one millimetre?

The phrase "rules were meant for the blind obediance of fools and for the guidance of wise men" seems to have been discarded. Unfortunately we are a poorer society for it.

Good luck Pablo. It was folk like you letting young boys like me on the flight deck that started my love of aviation and my career.

"I wonder how many flying careers started with a flight deck visit?"
Mine certainly did! :ok:

MyT sounds like a wanky operation anyway; he will get snapped up by a quality operator if he so wishes, however mavericks and whistle blowers do not do very well though these days in civil aviation. He should consider running hard from airline flying; from the coverage he has gotten he seems to think he does not have to observe the same rules and regulations that others he works with do, which is not a good multi crew cockpit situation.

MYT a Wanky operation - Affirm, This is not the 1st time 'My Little Pony' Airways' have got rid of QUALITY staff - Remember Mr David Henry, One of the most exp Line Pilot's you could ever wish to have, He had over 30yrs of flying exp and held management positions at UK,LEI,MYT - before being 'hung' by the MYT board over something trivial:=

I don't really want to say this, But looking back at AIH/MYT's history, I would say that alot of their problems were down to their own makings??:ugh:

Maybe now as part of TCX, The yes management men of MYT will be walking the plank??:*

All the best Pablo, Yule find a new toy to drive:D

Hautemude
Are flight deck visits banned by the CAA? After 9/11 my airline banned visits but has now relaxed the policy and family members of operating crew are allowed to travel on the jumpseat. Seems sensible and unlikely to be allowed if our regulator (not the CAA) had banned such actions.

If did the same I would be hung out to dry by my employers. Why should this 'character' be subject to different rules; this is not to say that the rules should not be changed but for the time being............

This may be a big deal within the industry but I don't think the general public know or care.

I'd also bet that Captain Mason is making less of a fuss about it than the uninformed and inexperienced on here.

Sh1t happens. I know a guy who was knocked back for command a couple of days before his Air Force medal for services to training arrived. :*

There's nowt as queer as fowk/pilots/airline managers . . . .

Jeezus, Kite, what colour is the sky on your planet?

You (we) may not agree with various "security" regulations, but that locked door policy is rock-solid enshrined in stone - and he broke How many reasons does a guy need to be wrong? What do you mean, "in this instance?" How was he right to break the most fundamental security barrier we have "in this instance?" How does this instance differ from the next? The rule is the same. Just because the visitor was on a chartered flight makes no difference whatever - 000s of the public - ie, these people, fly charters every day - what makes this occasion special? Put it another way, Kite; describe a situation that is "special" so as to allow a plane load of pax and bags to board without any security checks. What is it you don't understand about rules and SOPs?

The guy broke a rule that is generally considered rock-solid, he can only be WRONG WRONG WRONG. Wake up, pal, this is Professional aviation we're talking about, and it's best taken seriously.

Mr Mason is evidently a larger than life character and an individualist - perfect fast jet stuff, but if he cannot - or will not - conform to the much more disciplined and regulated style of operating in Airlines than perhaps he is in the wrong job? Gung-ho does not belong in Airlines, period.

He was certainly, most utterly certainly, wrong in this case.