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Old 25th Nov 2007, 11:36
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mytravel pilot loses appeal

The BBC are reporting that Pablo Mason, the MYT capt. who allowed footballer Robbie savage onto his flight deck during a private charter to try and help his fear of flying, has had his appeal against his sacking denied.
Now i know there are rules, but come on. Where has common sense gone in this world??
Link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/7111883.stm
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 11:56
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Security and common sense ? I don't think so!!!!!!! It is just an excuse for a small number of people to get rich and a job creation plan for the numptys.

However I feel that Pablo is not a victim of the security mafia. It would seem that the company had an agenda with him and "security" was the perfect excuse to get rid of him.

I have no problem with Pablo's action in letting the guy see the flight deck but have to question his judgment with the current security climate now that the truly stupid are in charge and no one is able to question them.
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 12:05
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The airline involved, from what I had gathered, from the original posting of this subject on PPRuNe, is that Myt was already looking for a reason to sack this guy, and he gave them all the justification, doing something like that in the US is actually a violation of federal law...and you could lose your licence, pay fines or go to jail---definitely lose your carreer---


At least he has a chance to get another job, and perhaps this is a learning experience for him to do better at a different company or find a company that better suits his management style.


Many folks want to go into the airlines and would gladly follow the rules of their company or nation in order to assure a long tenure---please don't think I'm on a mudslinging expedition....However, he seems to have little choice available but to pick up the pieces and procede on.

and on that I wish him good luck
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 12:07
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Pablo Mason what a legend.

Wasn't he the one who vividly highlighted how rediculous some of the security procedures were and how officious the people implementing them had become at BHX?
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 12:21
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Pablo Mason what a legend.

Wasn't he the one who vividly highlighted how rediculous some of the security procedures were and how officious the people implementing them had become at BHX?


Yup!
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 12:36
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Well I for one hope he makes a speedy return to flying asap.

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Old 25th Nov 2007, 13:38
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A poor decision in many respects but Pablo will bounce back and continue to behave in a manner that enhances the environment around him.
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 14:57
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playing devil's advocate, if he was "pardoned", wouldnt that throw some kind of a green light at other pilots (especially new ones) who would think there is some kind of flexibility in the law?
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 15:10
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Well one lesson that has been reenforced by this hoohaa and which we all probably know too well is their is no room for mavericks in this job. I wish Pablo well however.
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 15:17
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Afraid you are right NSR!
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 15:19
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Any bets that a huge publicity stunt will follow, with Branson trying to 'rescue' Pablo?

Flame away, it's just little old me being cynical and having seen the Bearded One do something similar with ex-BA staff
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 15:26
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Well if Robbie Savage gives Pablo a week of his own wages, that will be enough money to keep him going while he writes another book.
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 16:07
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Unfortunate experience for the gentleman involved but this day and age the opportunities for a maverick to buck the system are negligible in Civil aviation. May well have not been the case in a Tornado at 500kt and 100ft but I wish the adaptability that Pablo saw to enhance his survival in Iraq could have been brought over to Civil aviation. The FO,irrespective of his experience would have been feeling uncomfortable at this breach of Company procedures. How easy it would have been for Pablo,mindful of the PR advantages in flying the football team, to have sought approval prior to take of both with MYT and HIS CREW prior to taking such a Cavalier step. All this gunk about nervous pax needing to visit the F/deck just does not wash.
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 16:11
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Bit harsh in my opinion. However, rules are rules i suppose...

I remember the days when i was little going on holiday with my parents and having flight deck visits
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 16:16
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Pablo flew us back from Knock to Birmingham a couple of years ago and gave the most original and entertaining preflight briefing I've ever had. Good luck to him.
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 16:16
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Thumbs down

Quite right, Flaps 80.

Sorry Pablo, your in the wrong and an example has been made of you.

Good Luck for the Future. (Get a job at the DFT and change the daft rules mate!)
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 16:17
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I wonder how many flying careers started with a flight deck visit?
Sad that Pablo chose this point in time to use his enviable PR skills on behalf of such a myopic employer. Lack of judgement I fear.
Hope all goes well for him.
Perhaps as display pilot for Tornado To The Ether in a few years time ??
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 16:23
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I'm surprised that MyTravel haven't responded publicly as they must be aware of the bad publicity they've brought upon themselves.

Pablo was always going to be a high profile target. If they felt this was a fight they really, really wanted to pick they should have gone about it a different way. Pretty stupid really.

Hey Pablo!! Come and join us in the bizjet world. Passenger visits to the cockpit are practically mandatory for us
 
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playing devil's advocate, if he was "pardoned", wouldnt that throw some kind of a green light at other pilots (especially new ones) who would think there is some kind of flexibility in the law?

Could have been cleared up with a short but stern email to the pilot though no? No need to involve the media quite as heavily if you ask me.

The law isn't flexible but under the circumstances maybe the result was a bit harsh.

Just reading up on the guy, apparantly he's an excellent after-dinner speaker too, plenty of oportunities coming his way I'm sure.
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Old 25th Nov 2007, 16:46
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"doing something like that in the US is actually a violation of federal law...and you could lose your licence, pay fines or go to jail---definitely lose your carreer--- "

True, but he was not in the US so what is your point?

MyT sounds like a wanky operation anyway; he will get snapped up by a quality operator if he so wishes, however mavericks and whistle blowers do not do very well though these days in civil aviation. He should consider running hard from airline flying; from the coverage he has gotten he seems to think he does not have to observe the same rules and regulations that others he works with do, which is not a good multi crew cockpit situation.

Plenty of Pablos before this one. You can only go so far fixing the world. Sounds like he thought he was untouchable, or at least he did not like being just another number in a roster system. Shame for it to get to this level of publicity though.
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