I'm sorry, but could you explain to me how, when and for what Blackburn Rovers "collectively" picked up a criminal conviction.
Some real tosh being spouted on here IMO.......

Not wishing to antagonise John B ,IMHO the posts 92 and 97 are both mature ,sensible and spoken from the viewpoint of the Public although I imagine they have both been writen by professional aviators who,like myself have learnt to adapt to the locked door concept.
Regretable in the extreme that no longer can our families or any prospective aviators join us on the flightdeck, but having been involved with heavy metal for 25+ years,we need to recognise that the halcyon days of flightdeck visits are never going to return.

FlyingOfficerKite
 

Am I the only one that finds your comment "..there are those who are supporting the action against this Captain are supporting the terrorists" grossly offensive?

The UK Flight Deck access rules are nuts..but if I deviate from Company SOPs I know I will almost certainly take the bullet unless I can prove my actions improved safety..

Frankly having done two tours Fast Jet, two tours jet QFI'ing and having toasted three absent friends, killed in fast jet accidents, at a reunion the other night, I don't like the implications that now, with 10000 plus hours of civilian Long Haul, I've turned into a lily livered surrender monkey or some sort of Fifth columnist....

Get some time in, get a Command, and then try the: "I'm entitled to deviate from SOPs because a nervous footballers on board" stunt..and see where it gets you.

Rant off, rant off, go.

Wiggy
Well considered comments.

Not condoning his actions at all.

However our manuals say no flight deck visits in air or on the ground. I have never known one captain to refuse this action from an excited son as they disembark. Has nobody ever left a remote parked aircraft unsecured etc etc?? Indeed i suspect the same applies to 90+% of professional pilots.

Does this mean we should all be disciplined? Following the logic yes as we have deviated from the law.

Some of these things are not black and white there is still some common sense in the world.

However for what it is worth i think there was no grey area with this decision; the man was very foolish and deserved what he got. He excercised poor judgment. This job is all about non-exposure to risk.

Do you really believe this was bad publicity for MyTravel?

For disciplining a captain who thought he could obey the rules when it suited him?

What he said sounded pretty logical to me FlyingOfficerKite!

The public understand that nobody can enter the flight deck; unless you are a 'celebrity'!

Is that good news for the profession?

FlyingOfficerKite
 

No, I'm not all over the place on this one - I have put my argument and credentials on the table - can I ask exactly what your qualifications are, because I see b*** all on your public profile? MFS flight Sim or perhaps not even that? Please tell us, because the very none CRM expression "no stick, no vote" springs to mind.

Lets be clear about this. In my humble opinion the locked flight deck door policy as decreed by the UK CAA is illogical - in particular exclusion of people known to the crew or even family of the pilots when some who have no criminal record in the UK, clear or otherwise, are alllowed unrestricted access is, IMHO "nuts"...hence my comment.

As to Pablo's punishment - I have no opinion on the punishment itself. I don't know the guy, I've never met him, I don't know his track record in the Airline. However I do know, as he should have done, that ignoring Company SOPs regarding security in this day and age is almost certainly, right or wrong, going to get you the sack...

Moving on to your comments, because as I guess you now realise you have right royally :mad: me off... I feel you are being grossly offensive to the hundreds of guys and girls who have both served their country ( whichever one it is) and who now work to their Airline's SOPs. There's been no apology from you so far so come on, you are the one who stated that anyone who agrees with Pablo's punishment is supporting the terrorists. so what's your "reasoned argument"..?

Oh, and "Creme de la Creme"...me?...I don't think so, some of the others here who know me know my ego isn't that big but, hey, thanks for the compliment.

Well I work for one of the airlines that had four pilots murdered in their cockpits on 9/11, not to mention everyone else on board eventually. I can recall no discussion about ever banning passengers from the cockpit while parked at the gate. I see no possible purpose in doing that, other than to make some bureaucrat get a boner for thinking it up. :rolleyes:

No shortage of pilots at my airline with sidearms in the cockpit, so that makes the blood pressure a little lower too, but stopping visitors at the gate makes no sense to me.

OH

Oilhead

FWIW we (Major UK airline) allow visits pre-start/after shutdown...

Based on his comments on another thread I think you can safely assume he doesn't fly large Boeings for a living. :)

Myt Management
 

If the illustrious Capt 'fella' Henry was such asset to aviation, why is he not in a suitable position in another airline?

UKL was one of the worst run companies I worked for

Maybe, maybe not. It is however IMHO a spectacular own goal by the government. If they really feel the need for a blanket ban on access to the cockpit. Then they do not believe the other measures they have put in place are adequate and do not trust the staff they have authorised to carry out the searches and pre flight checks on passengers.
Beggars belief !
Be lucky
David

As others have pointed out before, I think there is more to this dismissal than the single incident involving Robbie Savage. Please do not omit the fact that it appears that this incident was the straw that broke the camels back...

That is of little interest to those who are determined to use this case as a vehicle for their own agenda.

The locking of the flight deck door was on the agenda long long before 911, this was as the result of previous attacks on flight crew by idiots and those with mental problems. It's implementation was accelerated by that sad event not, as some may think, as a result of it

Wiggy
That is a good thing - UA encourages it too:ok:. Good harmless PR. It is interesting that most passengers seem to have forgotten that pilots over here can be federally licensed to carry a weapon on the flight deck now. I wasn't thrilled about it when it first started but, after watching it for a few years, I think it is a good program which is well monitored and managed.
OH

by your name ""flyingofficerkite"" you should have a moustache however I suspect you have a beard.

Windytoo,

I appreciated the "beard" comment even if it went miles over the intended targets head!