FLIPSIDEUP

While you and your "well educated" mates are frisking us aircrew (daily the same ones), do you REALLY think you are preventing Terrorism?
I think you are simply needing to justify your existence, by following idiotic orders, from almost equally educated goons above you!
Lets face it, have you ever managed to stop someone on the staff gate trying to REALLY take some sh*t through in order to REALLY commit an act of terrorism? No? I wouldn't have thought so.
So how on earth are you still able to pretend that what you all are doing is even remotely worthwile.
I'd hate to remind you AGAIN that after confiscating my lipstick and hairgel (having done your "job"), you are then furnishing me with my huge missile full of fuel, a load of poor victims to slaughter, oh and a stonking great fireaxe, just in case my pot noodle didn't work!!!
GET REAL :D

Well I think you are all staying quite calm in this potentially heated debated (except for the "semi retired senior manager of a very large US company working within security" who got a bit hot under the collar in one post).

I don't know anything about security. As a pilot I do what I am told and I am happy to comply. The "semi retired senior manager of a very large US company working within security" tells us it has to be black or white and that the staff have no room for judgement......I don't know, if you say so I believe you.

But when going through security I always wonder is it a "shoes on" or "shoes off" day? Is it a "laptop in" or "laptop out" day? But I don't care. I just laugh to myself at the inconsistancies and then worry it doesn't effect my level of safety. But as a lowly pilot I can do very very little about the security agencies.

However, what you all have to agree with is that there are a small number of security personnel with some sort of a gripe. It seems to me that the empowerment goes to their head and that they are going to show these pilots who the boss is. On a few occassions I have met these guys and girls and it is very sad. The chip is so embedded into their shoulder it is unremoveable. This is where you get an unresonable level of "checking" on a pilot versus a passenger.

I still cannot figure out why they are taking exploding yoghurt from pilots. Why would I spend years developing exploding yoghurt when I have two hands and a control column. You have to admit this is barking mad. May pilots should have their hands surgically removed. just leave a stump for engaging the autopilot!! :)

From reading these posts I can only conclude that the problem isn't the rules, the security staff carrying them out, but instead the arrogant god-complex of what I can only hope is a minority of Pilot's. It's been very revealing, and those coming out looking bad are not the security staff, but those Pilot's insulting them. A lot of these posts read like a spoil brat teenager throwing a tantrum because they go through security like an Engineer, ATC, Dispatcher, in fact like everybody else. Grow up.
Oh yes, for those of you who think you are so very clever, in my experience you have just as much to learn as everyone else, but probably won't. Humility is a fantastic and wise quality to have. This topic has some truly disgusting and nasty comments in it. :hmm: In fact it is mentally toxic.

Charming..I guess the logic behind a lot of the comments on this thread escaped you:oh:

Autoglide, for once in my life I wish I was working in the security area and got to check you out.

First I'd use the wand to see if I could find your brain.

What on earth is going on that the DFT, DAFT... have to make pilots take their shoes off, How utterly stupid. Of course here in Great Britain :ugh: we now have so many jobsworths with crap degrees everyone does as they are told... ehhhh, otherwise we will all be ... ehhhh.... fined.

Autoglide, you just don't get it do you ? you have a job so that you and your mates can supply me with an aircraft that is safe... don't matter how hard you try, you can't protect me from myself.

What an utterly stupid post based on ignorance and we wonder why we’re having security problems..

get real autoglide:rolleyes: ( maybe you shouldnt accept things on auto all the time )

Since crew have to take their shoes off and can't carry cosmetics may I suggest that all UK based pilots refuse to carry any passengers who try to take on board duty free purchased from the airport shop, brandy is flamable and how essential are a box of 200 fags ?

Morons that run this country are quite unbelivable.

On a different aiport / security stupidity note has anyone noticed the range of new signs threatening fines of £50 for such things as not wearing a yellow jacket airside ?

Now I think we not quite in a communist country yet and are still (only just) living in a democracy and as far as I am aware the only insitute that can endorse a fine is a court, civil or criminal.

They can take your I/D but they seem to have jumped on the bandwagon of trying to top up the christmas fund by trying to extract money with menace.
It would be like the local window company popping around to fine my for having dirty windows. OOps, that may be a law coming soon.

Fine or Civil Penalty
 

You may find this 'fine' for not wearing Hi-Viz jacket airside is not a fine issued by a court after due process of law but a civil penalty applied by your employer or BAA. The same thing applies in supermarket car parks if you over stay. It is a penalty imposed by whoever runs the parking not by a magistrate. It is still rubbish though!

AUTOGLIDE

With this attitude dude, you should become if not already, an airport security mandarin. There's no use you posting WORDS here without examining the subject you write about. Read the posts first, then reply. You can choose to ignore the vast majority of feelings here, but then what's the use, where are you going with this? Certainly against the wall. :ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

I have read across this great tread and I guest everything has been said but all this security issue is the fact that pilots became terrorist after September 11. This is a public relation issue, governments need to show that there are doing something to assure security of the passengers by screening everybody travelling, and that includes the pilots.
The way they are using to secure a flight is very primitive, cheap and does not discriminate any ethnic group or religion so politicians can sleep at night.
They don't care if an airplane gets blown off in mid air; they have done their job.
The other day, I had my toothpaste taken by security, in full uniform going to my airplane, in front of all passengers. What is the message this image carries, we are not sure that this captain is a dangerous criminal or member of AlQaeda but at least, he wont blow himself up with his toothpaste. I thought of telling this security agent that I would come back in a few minutes with the cockpit axe to reclaim my toothpaste..
Worst, I was in Nantes France about a week ago and one security officer told me that he had to follow me during my walk around, I thought at first that this was a joke but no, this poor idiot was serious.
I guest that the next event involving a pilot will bring an armed officer in all flight sitting in the jump seat and pointing a gun at you to make sure that you wont turn into somebody else during the flight, I am sure that some genius deciders I have thought of that.
To conclude, what has been done as a group or community to regain some respect and dignity in our profession? What unions in America and Europe or else has done so fare? nothing or very little.
Event the security passes that we carry are no better that a boarding pass.
We could have a system that would identify airline pilots in every little details, but that would cost money, who wants to pay for that? The Airlines, certainly not, the government? Why, it works great like it is right now, the passengers?
I guest we will have to comply with all this useless security cr$p until retirement!
Great site by the way…:sad:

While all around loose their common sense, one airline is cashing in on a potential goldmine ::E

http://newsbiscuit.com/article/budge...or-5-surcharge

Regards, SD..;)

Brilliant! :D

Wan't there to supposed to be a high level DFT meeting today to decide which of the ridiculous, draconian rules will be 'eased' ?

I here from the ground crews (fuellers, loaders ..etc..), that they have given an ultimatum to the authorities in BHX !

Apparently, they have until Thursday to sort out a way for hundreds of airside shift workers to bring food and drink through to their crewrooms/restrooms ..etc..

Autoglide,

a wise brain engaged before opening mouth is also a fantastic quality. Your post is ill-informed.

FB:ugh: :ugh:

Mentally toxic

An apt description of your own attitute autoglide; You more than most are in a position to offer a voice of reason and balance. And yet alas, you take yet another opportunity to have a pop at pilots...perhaps because they represent something you once aspired too? perhaps its because you dont like the way we dress? or maybe its just that you dont particularly like pilots as a professional body of employees...:hmm: In any case, your comments are typical of someone with an axe to grind, or worse..someone with such inflated opinions of your own ideas, you have singularly failed to grasp the basis, and tenants of this discussion.
Whatever the reason, and I suspect I know the reason....your comments are vindictive and spiteful, they fail spectacularly to contribute anything worthwhile to this thread:yuk:

There is a strong rumour the rules will be eased soon. Anyone know more?

Interestingly the ban on musical instruments looks set to be lifted. I can't see there was ever any logic behind that one -although it's depressing to think the Musician's Union apparently carries more clout than ours!

Quite simply, they were better organised and took their fight to the media effectively. That's where the battles are won - all the broadsheets carried their very legitimate concerns. They even got their point home during the Last Night of the Proms.

At the risk of quoting Monty Python: What has Balpa done for us?