LHR Incident tonight 2025z ???
What has just happened at LHR?
Seems to have been a lot of panic and hot air on 118.5 with the controller calling out "we have lost 27R all hold positions". Controller had a lot of fear in his voice in dealing with a close prox of a "Air Malta" and "Speedbird" asking them both to immediate right turn and "climb climb". I have never heard anything like it. BA B777 forced go around whilst attempting to land 27L at the same time. Down to single runway ops 27R only at some stage then controller asking a/c to visiually switch to 27L. Did the distant storm tracking to the NW have anything to do with it? ATIS reporting gusting 26-40kts with windshear reported on short finals. What on earth was going on, sounded like chaos. |
A number of diverts too, 3 to LGW, 2 to LTN and 1 to STN by the looks of things.
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Still waiting for pax on BD112 due 1925 local LHR, from AMS diverted to LGW:( , after holding for 25 mins around Southend, then needs to refuel to return to LHR:eek:
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Actually, I was that controller......
There was no panic in my voice at all. Its called taking control of the RT and adopting a tone that informs pilots that they are to listen very carefully to what I am telling them because its important. There is no such thing as "hot air" in ATC Crews were asked to hold position and maintain a degree of silence so that I could cope with arranging a radar heading for the Air Malta that was sat on the runway. This is necessary in order to visually switch traffic from the other approach. Putting an aircraft into the air that will conflict with other aircraft that are carrying out missed approaches is sometimes a necessary step in order to minimise the number of missed approaches from the other runway. The need for radio silence allows me to make phone calls and arrangements with the arrivals controller as to how we will proceed with this particular scenario and informs crews that a request for "number in sequence" will not be appreciated at this time. My respect goes out to all the crews who did exactly what I asked and allowed me to expeditiously accept traffic from the other runway. Anybody who saw it will agree that we were in a position to land on 27R within 60 secs..... Not bad considering!!! Also, your tendency to over egg the facts disturbs me, particularly as you do not have access to all the information. The Air Malta and the Speedbird were never in close proximity. The closest they came to each other was at least 7 miles (well beyond the required sep standards). The good rate of climb was asked for so that 3000ft could be cleared rapidly on the outbound and allow for greater flexibility in the event of further missed approaches. In ATC this is a procedure known as "not dropping the arrivals guy in the $#1T". The crew were more than happy to accept the good rate of climb. The Air Malta tracked north westerly for approx 7 miles and then turned back towards the MID SID well clear of any other traffic. Traffic is always switched back to the nominated landing runway as soon as possible when the runway is available for us. There are two main reasons for this: 1) We have a legally binding agreement to strictly adhere to runway alternation patterns 2) We can resume departing traffic on the other runway as soon as physically possible (Again a fact that I'm sure the quiet people in the holding area appreciated) There was no drama. Nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing unsafe. No losses of separation. Nobody was seconds from disaster. I would suggest that you don't post rash and inflamatory comments on subjects that you know very little about and I strongly resent accusations of panic!! My thanks go out to all my colleagues at work, our bretheren at TC and the crews who have had to endure a challenging day today. Respect!! |
Wow
A very impressive post-reply. Speaks of calm proffesionalism, that we all strive for:ok: |
Excellent reply from Someone who is and was on top of the situation,and an excellent retort to the scaremongerers.
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Many posts on pprune float aimlessly to earth, like a fart in a trance... others, now, they land on the server with a very satisfying THUMP!
Halo isn't slipping - Post of the Week, right there. (last time I checked my halo it was stamped 'Made in Taiwan'...) R1 |
Congrats to London Heathrow ATC
Congrats to everybody involved in LHR ATC this evening.
Excellent Job done in all respects and high level of professional conduct and behaviour observed. ...Continue the good job!!! Hellas Jet Flyer |
Well done halo.
Not only on a job well done but for taking the time to quell yet another alarmist with a scanner. :ok: |
Halo
Well said. More power to your elbow, mike switch and airwaves lip-flutter. I'm always plaesed to hear from an ATC pro giving his side of the story. I readily admit that you ATCO's live in a 4th dimensional world that's wholly different from the sometimes insular and parochial sphere of the paranoid pilot. |
Beautiful,
This is what it is all about. Thanks Halo and my appreciation and thanks to all the ATC boys and gals I have dealt with over the years. Wooblah. |
Brilliantly put Halo !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only watching from afar, but the other runway seemed available in loads less than 60 seconds, well done. |
From a flying career sample of a few hundred ATC setups, LHR is the best I've experienced by a noticeably big margin.
Well done, halo, a fascinating insight into the level of skill I've regularly enjoyed (and I do mean enjoyed -- it's often made me smile) from ATC at LHR. :ok: |
I hope I never sit behind Bristolre, but I'd trust my ex-colleagues at Heathrow with my life any time.
Congratulations Halo. |
Well snuffed out, Halo. Respect, Man.
For those that havn't got a flippin' clue: It was a difficult day yesterday, everybody rallied round on all sides under testing conditions. We had Maydays and Pans on our side of the A4. Even Tinpot was difficult. Nice working with you on the landline, Halo, lets bend some notes together one day......:cool: |
Halo,
A fantastic and fact filled reply, what did cause all the diversions, was it WX related?? Cheers |
A response on the thread that would seem to have mirrored the initial event. Clear, concise, immediate, and problem solved. Halo a nice one:ok:
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OK, so we have established that Halo and Crew did a fantastic job, however still nobody has mentioned what caused the problems in the first place, I asked before if it was WX related but got no replies, anyone shed any light ????
Cheers MoM |
thanks
halo thanks
max respect! |
Uk and esp. LHR ATC
QUITE SIMPLY THE BEST IN THE WORLD! |
Heavy rain and lightning battered my SW London pad yesterday evening.
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See that Bahrainlad has just said what I was going to.
There was some severe (for us) weather around London last night -- albeit localised. Big gusts of wind and occasional heavy rain squalls. I'm not a pilot, but I can see why some planes decided to go around. It was pretty hairy on the ground! Well done to all. |
Good God you lot...... get a room!!!
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Tarten Army -
You've just said what I was thinking but were afraid to post!:D |
What a wonderful response! I wonder if the BRISTOLRE callsign will ever be heard again?
Certainly I have found his information to be somewhat lacking in the past. |
Halo, thankyou for an excellent response at such a late hour :ok:
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What not even teeny weeny bit scared. Men can cry too you know
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The Initial problems were caused by a Varig MD11 which had an engine surge on rotation from 27L. Ops were called to make sure there was no debris on the runway as is normal in this situation.
Runway was closed for 13 minutes. Because of the darkness it unfortunatly takes longer then normal to make sure everything is ok with the runway. Happy flying |
still doesn't answer the question as to why there were so many diverts
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jettesen
still doesn't answer the question as to why there were so many diverts Bad Weather = reduced landing rate = increased delays = diversions |
wx
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Varig MD11 wasn't departing, he'd just landed, hence going 27R single so we could get an inspection of 27L.
Small orange flash observed from number 3 engine, educated guess that it was an engine surge, the crew concurred, most likely reason they felt was the amount of standing water sucked into the engine whilst using a high amount of reverse thrust. No cockpit indication of anything untoward, engine shut down as a precaution, no fire service attendance. No Emergency :eek: maybe a little adrenaline (perk of the job) :hmm: No Drama :eek: And most importantly no need for an alarmist initial post that'll get journos choking on their donuts or bagels if you work for the Guardian Just a usual busy night at EGLL that as it pains me deeply to say it was very professionally handled by Halo:yuk:, makes a change. |
Oh my god, Yellow Snow on the desk! Is nowhere safe????
professionally handled by Halo, makes a change |
Perhaps a little of topic but....
Ten miles 28R, IMC and we are informed Air India has burst tyres on landing. Offered switch by ATC. The 757 needed the Autopilot out to "de-establish from the ILS", re-engaged in VS and heading select. 30 degree attack towards 28L centre line, Excellent P2 retuned the ILS's to 28L, swapped letdown booklets (already opened at the 28L ILS plate for me). Established on the ILS and at 1000 feet "gave" the aircraft to the copilot for his landing The high points were the excellent support from ATC and my copilot (that saved a go around). The low point was the debrief from the female CAA inspector sitting behind us (who had joined us in Madrid without warning). All she could say was that I had the incorrect letdown plate on my clip (after the runway switch). I suggested differently. She responded that although the plate I was using was for the ILS 28L it was the northerly approach from Bovingdon and the correct one should have been the southerly approach from Biggin!!! I resisted the urge to suggest there was no difference once established on the ILS. So, so out of touch it wasn't true. She never smiled, mind you that could have been due to the thickness of make-up she was wearing. I went home thinking "a job well done". I wonder what she did. |
28R ? You did have the wrong plates out !
Thanks for the post though, woodpecker, it's interesting to know how much workload is involved for a late switch like that. |
Well done everyone !
I was on my way to LHR early evening and the weather was foul with traffic slowing to around 40mph due to driving rain. We were 60 mins late on pushback due to both runways accepting inbound aircraft however it sounds like the pro's earned their crust that night and the SLF down the back (like me) were none the wiser. After everything returned to normal, I was most impressed at the way ATC / crews handled the resulting departure "scrum" on 28R. |
Hey all this talk of 28R makes me feel at home (and old!). Over many many years I have never heard any of the kind of clap trap that comes up on some of these so called documentaries/films and outsiders "accounts" of incidents. What I have heard is years and years of brilliant controlling, with the highest of standards and professionalism (and of course some humour!).
Let's hope more people think before they write. |
Just to show my age,
When did the variation change such that the the 28's became the 27's? When did 23L become 23 (the closure of 23R)? When was the last landing on 23? |
My first opportunity to reply after a week overseas. I would
like to stand up and take this opportunity to publically offer apologies to Halo in the nature of my posting. Sundays' posting was never meant to cause offence or call into question anyones' ability at work. I apologise sincerely for any other way in which my wording was construed or interpreted. I wrote what I wrote in good faith as events began to unfold which made me quite edgy, as what appeared to a major situation, evolved. Hearing what I heard on the RT gave me greater sense of waryness. Thankfully everything was handled safely and well as with the usual professionalism of all concerned at Heathrow and that is reflected in every reply to this thread. The location of my work takes me within the great ramps and pavements of LHR. I am not a die hard scanner listener getting all carried away. Lets say that I have access to this as part of my work tools. What I genuinely witnessed, observed and overheard on the RT was not made up, not fiction, never nor was it deliberately engaging "journo" mode. This is the danger of anonymity on PPRUNE I guess, accused of being Journalistic - lessons have been learned - please accept my apology and dsire to respond. At the end of the day the question which I asked was eventually answered as to what caused all of Sunday nights' events. JW411 a message to you,, Your comments regarding my posts lacking of information - your comments via PM always welcome on specific points where you feel the need to put me right. The callsign will be heard again, let me assure you. |
Well done, Bristolre, on being honest enough to own up to making a mistake instead of just disappearing off and leaving things up in the air.
:ok: Out of interest, what job do you do that lets you "have access to this as part of my work tools". Or is it secret squirrel? |
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