RYANAIR PAY CUTS !
 

All the captains that were sent to Charleroi (Brussels south (EBCI)) are getting A £7000 pay cut because the beancounters say that the cost of living is cheaper over there
Pity they were not told this before they started their command training

[This message has been edited by ALLRIGHTFORTHEHEIGHT (edited 23 April 2001).]

I may have missed something here but to my mind a salary is a salary and totally indepenent of any EXTRA cost of living allowance that may be paid IN ADDITION to basic salary.

Have a close look at your contracts and find yourselves a good lawyer is my advice.

Best of luck

Apologies in advance for being thick but where is CRL?

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'Keep the Stress Down'

No, not so thick.I had to look it up.
It is Charleroi, which Ryanair are using from April 26th advertised as Brusselles.

STRESSFREE,AEROGURU
Sorry I was just being lazy

Stress Free,

We went there 25th June 1993 in VR-BNB and sat around the terminal for 4 hours.

The onset of Alzheimers is nigh!

Brgds

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Is this company for real?? Cutting salary because "Cost of living in Belgium less than Ireland or UK!" I thought this was a wind-up when I heard it last week. Should have known better.
This must be resisted NOW or the next base will feature even lower fares - oops - sorry, salaries.

Shanwick,
Did we really go to CRL? Blimey I'd forgotten all about it.............
My efforts to mentally erase all my memories of working for In...te must have been successful!!!!!!!!!!!
Cheers.

http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/tongue.gif

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'Keep the Stress Down'

BALPA are aware of the situation. Advice is DO NOT sign anything and give them a call.

Contracts were demanded to be returned signed by last friday unless those new captains want to be F.O.'s for a long time



[This message has been edited by ALLRIGHTFORTHEHEIGHT (edited 24 April 2001).]

You've got to admit FR are a class outfit.

Well, well, the Ryans have come up trumps yet again. When will they learn that they cannot mess these guys around.

So much for the new pay deal.

Charleroi is a small little airfield (decent size runway) about 45 minutes drive away south from Brussels. The city is very run down and unemployment is quite high as most of the steel and coal industries have now ceased operations there, so hopefully with Ryanair opening a base there things will improve a little.

It appears EZY will do the same when/if it opens the AMS base!

Altho this is changing the subject a bit i think the EZY case will be some-what different. As i understand it the pay and conditions for a Dutch base will be industry led by reference to the current Dutch operators at SPL and ratified by Dutch employment law and paid in local currency as a stand alone overseas base not unlike the current Swiss base.

Once again FR management are trying the boundaries of the Pilot Group. A clever try, with a well divided, diverse and not at all united Pilot Body, management see their chance to make a new cost saving. That is how they work, reduce cost at every chance. Fair play to the newly promoted Captains who are handing back their Commands in protest at the pay cuts.

Stand beside those Captains who are about to become FOs again on the 25/4/01. They are sacrificing months of hard work, sweat, checks and final checks. Stand united with them, dont break ranks. Tomorrow it will be pay cuts for everyone, every new base, every new transfer if we let it through.

Come on guys, off the fence, Irish, British, Yugoslav, Kiwi, Russian, American or whatever. This means you. Stand by your colleagues. It may be you who need the backing next week.

Nice Beaver
Why is this "changing the subject".
Is this not a similar operator,
My wood chomping friend!!

Typical ***** from them indoors.I worked for five months in Charleroi a few years ago.The costs are roughly the same as any modest UK/Irish town.Anything remotely connected with Brussels is expensive.It's a bit dull as a place to live,alright,but not a bad spot to tour from.
regards
TDD

As Ryanair advertise that they fly to Brussels should not the crews based in Brussels get comparable expenses those professionals seconded or serving in our EuroCapital Brussels, which would be consederably greater than those who are based in Dublin, Stansted, Luton or Prestwick.

Here's the real story so far......

Five Ryanair FOs were promoted over the last two months. These promotions were accepted on the agreement that they would have to move base to either STN or CRL. They were promoted by Jim Duggan and have operated in the left seat since.

On April 12th contracts were issued to the five, two moving to STN and three moving to CRL. The contracts contained a few issues which needed clarification before they could be signed (the base changes have never been disputed):

an IEP8000 pay cut for those going to CRL

a clause that further base transfers would be "in accordance with the prevailing salary and flight pay system in operation at that base"

a local flight pay system for CRL was mentioned but details were not given


The contracts were returned last weekend unsigned but with a covering letter accepting the change of base but requesting further information on the above points.

On Monday April 23rd letters were given to the five from John Osborne but signed by Declan Dooney stating that if the contracts were not signed by close of business on that day that demotion to FO would follow. Replies were sent requesting clarification on the above points before signing.

Another letter was issued to the five yesterday (April 24th)giving them another chance to sign by close of business yesterday. No further information was given by the company on the issues so the contracts were not signed.

As of midnight last night the five are demoted to FO, there salaries have been cut and Ryanair are looking for direct entry Captains to replace them.

As I type this they are in the sim in Dublin being requalified in the right seat.

This is the most serious development in Ryanair for years and affects every FO both present and future.

Just consider the following:

no change of base was ever disputed

an illegal pay cut was being forced on them

the company demanded an imcomplete contract to be signed

no details of the CRL flight pay system have ever been given

and, perhaps most serious, no contact was made by Jim Duggan. Why do we have a Chief Pilot?


Lets give the five our support in this most serious development.

Thank You.