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I really cannot believe that a company can get away with treating its workforce like this nowadays. I am not in Ryan Air but I wholeheartedly support your standpoint. Unfortunately, nothing short of a total strike will get their attention.
All the time you are complaining and/or negotiating you are still doing your job and thats all Ryan care about. You may have to see this all the way thru to the end. I wish you well. |
Well put, Silent Duggan!
This cannot be allowed to happen. Now is the time for all of us to support the newly elected pilot committee who are handling this in a very sensible manner. What the company are doing MUST be illegal. Are IMPACT/IALPA going to look for an injunction to stop Ryanair in its tracks. Each and every one of the pilot body must stand up and be counted on this one. No Captain should transfer to Charleroi at a lower salary. No F/O should accept a command until this is sorted. Finally, we should use word of mouth and, of course, PPRuNe to tell the wider aviation community: DON'T JOIN RYANAIR Just say NO. Message will be understood.....eventually. PS perhaps Danny should now remove Ryanairs Banner ad from the site - after all it is now false advertising as the salaries are no longer whats promised? We'll have a whipround in the White House to recompense the PPRuNe coffers! |
How about another whip round to help fund the pilots during the upcoming strike?
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Best of Luck to all Ryanair pilots involved.
This is truly disgraceful treatment by Ryanair. People must support these lads by not giving in & not taking these Direct Entry Captains positions or else this is going to keep happening. The pay cut is bad but the demotions are beyond belief. If you are an experienced Jet Driver at the moment then I don't think its likely that FR will be your only emplpoyment option-please dont let Ryanair treat aircrews like this. Strike seems like the best bet right now. |
Wel, I was considering flying RyanAir later this year. I certainly won't do so now - it's not just the absurdity of their obscure destinations which are peddled under the name of some city miles away (like where-the-hell-is-Hahn, Brussels Charleroi etc), I just will NOT fly with a company which treats its pilots so badly and runs some sort of dutch auction for LHS time for its senior F/Os!
Stick it, you mean-minded idiot! And I hope your SLF vote with their feet. It's all you deserve! |
Our chief pilot is now playing happy families in Charleroi. It appears that personnel are now running flight ops!
'Its life Jim but not as we know it' |
Here is a quote from TravelMole.com about the information posted here.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2">Ryanair chief executive dismisses pilots' pay argument Ryanair chief executive Michael O’Leary has dismissed arguments over pilots’ pay at its new Charleroi airport base in Belgium. Some pilots have argued that it is unfair that pay levels are less at the new base - also known as Brussels South - than they are at Stansted. But Mr O'Leary claims that pay levels differ in each of the airline’s three bases (Stansted, Dublin and Charleroi) to take into account different exchange rates, inflationary pressures and the cost of living. Mr O’Leary conceded that the Charleroi-based pilots would not be paid as much as their Stansted counterparts of the same rank, but argued that all the pilots concerned are “actually getting a pay rise” because all those who are moving to the new base are also being promoted from first officer ranking to captain. He told TravelMole: “Because they are all being promoted their pay will be significantly higher than it was before. But we do have have different pay in different bases and there will probably be a difference of about £4,000 or £5,000 compared to the same rank in Stansted.” Mr O’Leary added: “No one will be paid less than before and it’s entirely their choice if they want to move or not.” According to Mr O'Leary, a typical annual pilots salary at Ryanair is £50,000 per year for a second officer, £60,000 to £70,000 for a first officer and £90 to £100,000 for a captain.</font> |
MOL feels that he has the Pilots where he wants them now, issuing £100,000 in share options to settle the last dispute. But what no one knew was that a proviso in these share options was that " they become null and void if there is ANY form of industrial action by the Pilots.
Really guys, grow up, do you actually believe that you will ever see a penny out of this deal. I dont think so. Its our careers, its our lives, our families. Lets not allow him to reduce what we work so hard for. Remember that man has shareholders to answer to. |
So let's get this right.
According to MOL, if a Capt earns £IR90, and an FO earns £IR50, it's OK to promote the FO to Capt on a salary of £IR80 because ".......he's getting a payrise anyway..." Referee.........!!!!!!!!!!! |
'Mr O’Leary added: “No one will be paid less than before and it’s entirely their choice if they want to move or not.”'
-This is a lie. 'According to Mr O'Leary, a typical annual pilots salary at Ryanair is £50,000 per year for a second officer, £60,000 to £70,000 for a first officer and £90 to £100,000 for a captain.' -This is just bulls**t! In such biased publishings, when do the pilots ever get their say. Maybe it is time that we did. I vote strike, that's the only voice we have. Who cares about the 100k that has been said, we're not going to get anyway. |
Poor old Michael ain't too good with basic maths either. Let's see .....
STN Capt = STG47905 CRL Capt = IR£41708=STG£33500 (approx £STG=IR£0.8) Doesn't look like a difference of 4 or 5 thousand to me. C'mon, Michael, get real and start treating your pilots like human beings. Then you can work on the concept of pilots as professionals. thisdoesn't need a strike to sort it out. JUST SAY NO! It's that simple. Michael needs Captains at Charleroi. If F/O's continue to say NO and DE Capts refuse his offers to come on board, he will have to give in. Stick together boys. Don't fall for the old FR trick of playing one guy or group off against the rest. |
>Red-liner> guess you are not going, are you? In the company I work for it is normal procedure to have a pay raise and not a pay cut. I miss your laudatory comments. Are you speechless or are you busy collecting sector pay. :)Or you are maybe on your way to the bank cutting expenses to afford changing to Belgium base. :)
>IHAWK> Have you got what you want? Keep up the spirit in your Spitfire interest, and please stay out of areas witch you would never know anything about. At least get 10 hours in a real airplane before pretending to know something from any airline business http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/eek.gif |
Sounds like that old John Osborne strikes again. You Ryanair guys were warned.
Good luck now |
Further news...
Some of the guys were actually paid Dublin Captains salary for part of March. This was then deducted from their April cheques. No explanatory details on the payslip. Shabby or what? If these guys were not really Captains for the last few weeks, then were dozens of sectors flown with no captain on board??? IAA, please examine! |
It's time to stop whinging and start acting.
Guys O'Leary has you bent over a desk with your trousers down. Stike now and show him that you will not stand for this nonsense. |
Now there's a funny thing. When I was promoted from F/O to Captain many years ago after two months of virtually continuous line checks (so called command 'training') and several simulator check rides and then to accept the responsibility of being in command of every flight thereafter, I did not really think of it as a 'payrise'!
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As a commercial pilot your personal conditions should be at the top of your agenda.
Minimising them is most certainly a the top of your managers agenda!! |
Every other pilot in FR. should do their best to help the lads
ie. stop working their days off to let MOL know that he needs to make these guys up. A few more stranded pax. ringing The Joe Duffy Show can't be good for his PR. |
What a pity!
The FR pilots have always treated me with exemplary kindness endulging my interest in aviation down to the last whim. They recented published a list of the richest people in Ireland, Michael O' Leary figured high up there, now I know why :mad: I'm sorry that the FR pilots are being treated like this, how sad considering any I've met have been such thorough gentlemen. ________________________________________ The grass isn't always greener on the other side |
THE WEAKEST LINK
"you are a group of grown people, thrown together by faith, sadly, one of you will give in"...................... "Now who is the weakest link? the ones who move to CRL, you are being mislead by the wonderful PR machine that is your company. I gaurantee one of you will falter and take the money.......forever condeming you all to lower salaries at a time when you should be enjoying more". ...............So who will be the weakest link............ Tune in soon. Flight_Finder PS>.............it's exactly the same fight as the travel agents...........there was one greedy one who dragged the rest down....don't bet on soladarity |
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