how about this for a bad day
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how about this for a bad day
Just spare a thought for the poor flybe skipper operating the q400 into sou today!
Firstly he has abusive pax on board and calls for police prescence to have the bloke arrested on arrival.
Then has a problem with his flaps which makes him hold for 20 mins and come in on a full emergency. Then obviosly his a/c is tech but only for about 30 mins.
In the meantime his cabin crew have been taken away by police to give statements and return to the a/c 45 mins later. Just as hes thinking about leaving the computer systems go down and he has to do a manual loadsheet witht the dispatcher.
Then the runway is closed for 30 mins due to what the airport called a "splillage". they wouldn't divulge any more info.
Finally 2 3/4 hours and lots of p*##@d off pax later he left only to have to fit in another 3 sectors!
Firstly he has abusive pax on board and calls for police prescence to have the bloke arrested on arrival.
Then has a problem with his flaps which makes him hold for 20 mins and come in on a full emergency. Then obviosly his a/c is tech but only for about 30 mins.
In the meantime his cabin crew have been taken away by police to give statements and return to the a/c 45 mins later. Just as hes thinking about leaving the computer systems go down and he has to do a manual loadsheet witht the dispatcher.
Then the runway is closed for 30 mins due to what the airport called a "splillage". they wouldn't divulge any more info.
Finally 2 3/4 hours and lots of p*##@d off pax later he left only to have to fit in another 3 sectors!
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Only a four sector day ! Bliss !
I sometimes wonder if there is'nt a conspiracy as the typical working day unfolds. The example given is'nt especially extreme.
Dealing with problems generated by "children" in the cabin is becoming ever more frequent.
I'd be interested to know what flap problem leads to a full emergency (and what's a q400 and what's it's landing performance like, please ? - pardon my ignorance).
I sometimes wonder if there is'nt a conspiracy as the typical working day unfolds. The example given is'nt especially extreme.
Dealing with problems generated by "children" in the cabin is becoming ever more frequent.
I'd be interested to know what flap problem leads to a full emergency (and what's a q400 and what's it's landing performance like, please ? - pardon my ignorance).
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flap problems on q400
q400 is a bombardier dash 8 q400. and i'm only a measly handling agent so dont understand the ins and outs of flaps but might have something to do with our short runway?
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im just a handling agent as well but the Q400 relies too much on modern technology!....i mean with its 'glass' cockpit..all it takes is a drop of water to hit the wires and they are stuffed!!
I pitty for the pilot as well..must of been a day from hell
I pitty for the pilot as well..must of been a day from hell
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Hard day? Yeah, right!
It was only four years ago that I was banging back and forth between SOU and GCI for what was then Jersey European, in the venerable F27.
I can remember days when we flew six sectors when both places were fogbound, that's six approaches to minimums with at least four go-arounds, holding and diversions, all in an aircraft with no autopilot or flight director, agricultural de-icing, and all the other joys of 1950s technology (like running out of pneumatics because the system couldn't recharge quickly enough with the demands placed on it by short sectors and go-arounds).
Sounds like our hero mentioned above had a pretty easy day, actually.
And you try to tell young people that today- and they don't believe you...!!!
(apologies to M Python Esq)
It was only four years ago that I was banging back and forth between SOU and GCI for what was then Jersey European, in the venerable F27.
I can remember days when we flew six sectors when both places were fogbound, that's six approaches to minimums with at least four go-arounds, holding and diversions, all in an aircraft with no autopilot or flight director, agricultural de-icing, and all the other joys of 1950s technology (like running out of pneumatics because the system couldn't recharge quickly enough with the demands placed on it by short sectors and go-arounds).
Sounds like our hero mentioned above had a pretty easy day, actually.
And you try to tell young people that today- and they don't believe you...!!!
(apologies to M Python Esq)
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We're not trying to outdo one another here, are we? It sounds like a bad day to me, especially since we don't know what happened on the other three sectors (apart from hassle by crewing to extend duty).
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Only a few days ago we had a 146 with severe hydraulic problems orbiting at the northern end of A25, over MONTY, burning fuel I believe, a tug hitting an aircraft on the airfield, a tels and R/T equipment fault and a C500 with a nasty fire in the cockpit which rightly evacuated on the runway 
Thankfully all was well with each incident.
Thankfully all was well with each incident.
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I agree, 411 you really try hard at being a wally don't you? Never mind, your fellow PPRuNers seem to have about as much regard for you as the stuff that grows at the bottom of ponds. I think you should change your name to John Wayne.
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But how many line pilots have to do a manual loadsheet on a regular basis?
The only penalty is the few minutes required to complete the process.
" part timer " - definately a he was it ? not an ex 145 f/o?
regards to all you handlers at sou - enjoyed your company last year - an excellent bunch... putting up with far too much s**t..
see ya soon
regards to all you handlers at sou - enjoyed your company last year - an excellent bunch... putting up with far too much s**t..
see ya soon
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Tuff days???
You don't know you are alive,
Eleven sectors, 5 stops with no navaids, 2 NDB/DME, 1 NDB only, 1 with ILS. Do all the Manual load sheets, load and unload all pax/freight, sign and account for the Mail, sell tickets, fly some sectors, refuel twice, re oil as well.
Yes, in the last Millenium, in DC-3s, best fun ever, do it again tomorrow.
Also had to walk to school on my hands for the first weeks each year as Mum said not to get my new shoes dirty!!!!!!
We are too soft these days.
You don't know you are alive,
Eleven sectors, 5 stops with no navaids, 2 NDB/DME, 1 NDB only, 1 with ILS. Do all the Manual load sheets, load and unload all pax/freight, sign and account for the Mail, sell tickets, fly some sectors, refuel twice, re oil as well.
Yes, in the last Millenium, in DC-3s, best fun ever, do it again tomorrow.
Also had to walk to school on my hands for the first weeks each year as Mum said not to get my new shoes dirty!!!!!!
We are too soft these days.
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Can't say I find myself in 411's camp all that often, but really, a manual loadsheet is hardly the end of the world is it? Come on my steely eyed colleagues - show a bit of backbone.