Bad news from Gandalf Airlines
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Mile High Man - Take your rose tinted glasses off. Italians THINK they are the best but the reality is quite different. I know of various incidents with this so called airline that would make your hair stand on end. Examples are Instructor Pilots breaking minima, pulling CB's to blank out EFIS screens and sounding fire warning bells just after Take-Off. All this with pax on board. They even sent a new to type Captain to LCY without steep approach training!!!Coupled with no proper SOP's this makes for a dangerous airline which should have been grounded a long time ago.
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Mile High Man you seem to be very mad at everybody.
We all know that the world of aviation is always a rollercoaster ride, there are good companies and bad ones.
I hope Gandalf Airlines survives because there are good people working for them and if it doesn't most will find jobs with other carriers.
As far as my case goes I have nothing against anyone and hope that Mile High Man finds another job too.
Easyjet is agood airline expanding rapidly and consequently suffering from growing pains. they have a training window, if you are hired and arrive at their standard within the window you stay if not you're out. They can't afford to act differently, I'd use the same policy if I were part of their management.
Gandalf are only trying to restructure the company in order to save it. When this happens the last people hired are asked to leave. This happens in any industry. It is better to make redundant 100 people and save 200 people's jobs than keep all 300 and shut the company down. they are doing the right thing. Too bad for the jobless but today's market works this way, these are the rules of the game. Job security probably only exists with Airlines like British Airways, Alitalia, Lufthansa, etc...
We all know that the world of aviation is always a rollercoaster ride, there are good companies and bad ones.
I hope Gandalf Airlines survives because there are good people working for them and if it doesn't most will find jobs with other carriers.
As far as my case goes I have nothing against anyone and hope that Mile High Man finds another job too.
Easyjet is agood airline expanding rapidly and consequently suffering from growing pains. they have a training window, if you are hired and arrive at their standard within the window you stay if not you're out. They can't afford to act differently, I'd use the same policy if I were part of their management.
Gandalf are only trying to restructure the company in order to save it. When this happens the last people hired are asked to leave. This happens in any industry. It is better to make redundant 100 people and save 200 people's jobs than keep all 300 and shut the company down. they are doing the right thing. Too bad for the jobless but today's market works this way, these are the rules of the game. Job security probably only exists with Airlines like British Airways, Alitalia, Lufthansa, etc...
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Mile High Man there is a BIG difference between being fired and being made redundant.
Gandalf Airlines has not fired anybody.They are making people redundant due to their fleet reduction. This is being done to save the company and consequently people's jobs, like that of Mile High Man.
Captain Lilla is doing his best to place all the pilots made redundant with other airlines and is doing a very good job. So far people have either started work with another airline or in the process of doing so.
Gandalf Airlines has not fired anybody.They are making people redundant due to their fleet reduction. This is being done to save the company and consequently people's jobs, like that of Mile High Man.
Captain Lilla is doing his best to place all the pilots made redundant with other airlines and is doing a very good job. So far people have either started work with another airline or in the process of doing so.
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Ueila' Mile high man,
innanzitutto sono piu' italiano di te e poi impara l'inglese prima di dire cazzate...il mio messaggio era tutto dalla nostra parte dato che ho solo detto che anche gli inglesi vanno in borsa dopo solo 1 anno di operazioni.
Per quanto riguarda la tua appartenenza al mile high club esprimo i miei piu' profondi dubbi dato che gli arroganti e frustrati come te sono cosi per mancanza di sesso.
innanzitutto sono piu' italiano di te e poi impara l'inglese prima di dire cazzate...il mio messaggio era tutto dalla nostra parte dato che ho solo detto che anche gli inglesi vanno in borsa dopo solo 1 anno di operazioni.
Per quanto riguarda la tua appartenenza al mile high club esprimo i miei piu' profondi dubbi dato che gli arroganti e frustrati come te sono cosi per mancanza di sesso.
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Obi Wan,
I completely agree with you about the need for humility of italian managers currently in charge of airlines.
What I don't agree with is that Italy would need foreign managers. I think that Italy has very good managers, but the trend today is to hire the "predator" ones and not the "illuminated" or the skilled.
Greed is what drives the civil aviation business today in Italy.
So maybe I would say that things would be better if "some" italian managers learnt humility from the foreign managers, and used it to learn how to run an airline.
target fixated, no use of getting mad at me, I'm italian too
I completely agree with you about the need for humility of italian managers currently in charge of airlines.
What I don't agree with is that Italy would need foreign managers. I think that Italy has very good managers, but the trend today is to hire the "predator" ones and not the "illuminated" or the skilled.
Greed is what drives the civil aviation business today in Italy.
So maybe I would say that things would be better if "some" italian managers learnt humility from the foreign managers, and used it to learn how to run an airline.
target fixated, no use of getting mad at me, I'm italian too
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Mile High Man,
You have a great attitude. I wonder what it would be like to fly with you? Can anyone say "jerk"? You sound like a complete a-hole - it's people like you who diminish the inherent fun of flying.
I don't care if Obi Wan Kirk was fired or not hired - or whatever - you don't have to use this forum to thrash anyone. This just demonstrates your lack of professionalism. Obi Wan has been very helpful in providing information from time-to-time - and you haven't. So, why don't you just shove it and work on yourself instead of castigating others...
You hate morons? Well, I hate belligerent jerks who are so insecure with themselves that they need to put down others to feel better. Don't use this forum to trash others - you waste our time and make yourself look BAD...
Viva Italy!
You have a great attitude. I wonder what it would be like to fly with you? Can anyone say "jerk"? You sound like a complete a-hole - it's people like you who diminish the inherent fun of flying.
I don't care if Obi Wan Kirk was fired or not hired - or whatever - you don't have to use this forum to thrash anyone. This just demonstrates your lack of professionalism. Obi Wan has been very helpful in providing information from time-to-time - and you haven't. So, why don't you just shove it and work on yourself instead of castigating others...
You hate morons? Well, I hate belligerent jerks who are so insecure with themselves that they need to put down others to feel better. Don't use this forum to trash others - you waste our time and make yourself look BAD...
Viva Italy!
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There are some very efficient Italian managers and entrepreneurs that head companies in Italy and elsewhere, it would be nice to see some of them leading some of the airlines in Italy. Air Europe was doing very well before Volare took over, I don't know if it is still run well.
If we take the examlpe of Italian football when the Michel Platini's and the Diego Maradona's arrived on the Italian football scene Italy won the World cup and produced world class players such as Gianfranco Zola and Alessandro Del Piero. they can do it, it's a matter of having the right people in the right place.
The Italian Airline industry has great potential and maybe a mix between Italians and world class airline experts could produce an AC Milan of the Airline industry...
If we take the examlpe of Italian football when the Michel Platini's and the Diego Maradona's arrived on the Italian football scene Italy won the World cup and produced world class players such as Gianfranco Zola and Alessandro Del Piero. they can do it, it's a matter of having the right people in the right place.
The Italian Airline industry has great potential and maybe a mix between Italians and world class airline experts could produce an AC Milan of the Airline industry...
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Hi Mile High Man,
I totally agree with you concerning your posts.
I think that all of this bunch of stupid copilots would be better off studying how to enter a plane rather than spending time here talking about some things that are over their small heads.
Don't forget that a copilot is considered the least professional position on a plane, well behind any stupid flight attendant.
We don't use monkeys on the right seat just because they can't do English radiotelephony.
Keep on Mile High Man!!!
I totally agree with you concerning your posts.
I think that all of this bunch of stupid copilots would be better off studying how to enter a plane rather than spending time here talking about some things that are over their small heads.
Don't forget that a copilot is considered the least professional position on a plane, well behind any stupid flight attendant.
We don't use monkeys on the right seat just because they can't do English radiotelephony.
Keep on Mile High Man!!!
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Obi Wan Kirk your not right, Air Europe was not doing good, in fact they were doing very bad. Now both Airlines of the Volare Group are doing good, as far as I know.
I heared a lot of strange things from Gandalf, about the standard very bad pilots etc. I hope it is not so bad as I heared and I hope it will recover.
I heared a lot of strange things from Gandalf, about the standard very bad pilots etc. I hope it is not so bad as I heared and I hope it will recover.
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The standard in Gandalf is quite good according to who trained you. It's as if there were two airlines in one.
As far as Air Europe-Volare goes, friends who fly for them have told me it was better when Air Europe was on its own...but I must say these are only opinions.
As far as copilots go any real pro will recognize that the Captain, First Officer and the Flight Attendants form a team whose goal is to transport pax from A to b in safety. To quote a more knowledgeable source than myself. After the accident on Mt Erebus the New Zealand Air Line Pilots Association (NZALPA) quoted:
"...it is the inherent responsibility of every crew member, if he be unsure, unhappy or whatever, to question the pilot in command as to the nature of his concern. Indeed, it would be going too far to say that, if a pilot in command were to create an atmosphere whereby one of his crew members would be hesitant to comment on any action then he would be failing in his duty as pilot in command."
So chaps team work is the name of the game!
As far as Air Europe-Volare goes, friends who fly for them have told me it was better when Air Europe was on its own...but I must say these are only opinions.
As far as copilots go any real pro will recognize that the Captain, First Officer and the Flight Attendants form a team whose goal is to transport pax from A to b in safety. To quote a more knowledgeable source than myself. After the accident on Mt Erebus the New Zealand Air Line Pilots Association (NZALPA) quoted:
"...it is the inherent responsibility of every crew member, if he be unsure, unhappy or whatever, to question the pilot in command as to the nature of his concern. Indeed, it would be going too far to say that, if a pilot in command were to create an atmosphere whereby one of his crew members would be hesitant to comment on any action then he would be failing in his duty as pilot in command."
So chaps team work is the name of the game!
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Spoke to a friend at NJI yesterday:
apparently ground stuff, F/A's and some pilots haven't been paid this month!
It's not about bad italian managers me thinks....it's about bad managers in general no matter which passport they hold (NJI is managed by english and aussie people).
apparently ground stuff, F/A's and some pilots haven't been paid this month!
It's not about bad italian managers me thinks....it's about bad managers in general no matter which passport they hold (NJI is managed by english and aussie people).
