Virgin A340 runway excursion. Well done.
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land asap
You know its a funny thing when all can guess the type of t--sser that starts a thread in so much detail to actually guess the airline for which you work.
The reply you then give is to not tar you all with same brush. er why not?
The guy driving the 340 was probably just thinking how much a better person he was for doing the same job as you lot for a fraction of the salary.
I hear a strike is in the offing.
You know its a funny thing when all can guess the type of t--sser that starts a thread in so much detail to actually guess the airline for which you work.
The reply you then give is to not tar you all with same brush. er why not?
The guy driving the 340 was probably just thinking how much a better person he was for doing the same job as you lot for a fraction of the salary.
I hear a strike is in the offing.
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Land ASAP...
On the 31st of Jan, you conducted your own inquiry into a VS A340 incident and published it here:
<<Virgin A340 runway excursion. Well done.
It would appear that last night LHR was made single runway due to a Virgin A340 taxying off at the threshold of 27R. This happened late evening (10 'ish)
Thought I'd pass on my thanks to the crew involved as it quadrupled all workload for those who already had 1 hour delays in BNN/LAM/BIG/OCK. Before all you all jump on me, let me state that many other crews had taxied at an appropriate speed whilst lining up and therefore managed to remain on the paved surface.
Secondly, let me also thank BAA who have categorically refused repeated requests by LHR airlines to set up a remote de-icing operation at LHR so that they can cope a little better with such extreme weather. Can I suggest they invest a little time and money and go for a jolly to OSL/ARN/HEL etc to see how things can work on days like yesterday.
Thirdly and on an unsarcastic note, to all those staff who stayed on those extra hours so that 'us up there' weren't left stranded, a big thankyou. Especially the one T1 BA dispatcher left at LHR, Matt, who had the un-enviable task of meeting 10 more aircraft at 0215 this morning. Also the ATCO who was providing ground/tower at midnight, dual frequency and quite likely operating a shift length that would make ones eyes water. Well played fella!>>
The AAIB, after a little more analysis than you, have published this:
http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/bulletin/jul03/pdf/gvsky.pdf
I've been searching for the bit in there about the crew "taxying at an inappropriate speed"... but don't seem to be able to find it...?? Heavy hints that the taxiways could have been deiced more, particularly when the fire trucks would not even approach close to the aircraft because they were concerned about sliding into it... and the whole area had to be deiced before even a coach could get near...
NoD
PS I do so later you apologised for some of the comments, so this post really to highlight the AAIB report... hope we all take the lessons from there!
On the 31st of Jan, you conducted your own inquiry into a VS A340 incident and published it here:
<<Virgin A340 runway excursion. Well done.
It would appear that last night LHR was made single runway due to a Virgin A340 taxying off at the threshold of 27R. This happened late evening (10 'ish)
Thought I'd pass on my thanks to the crew involved as it quadrupled all workload for those who already had 1 hour delays in BNN/LAM/BIG/OCK. Before all you all jump on me, let me state that many other crews had taxied at an appropriate speed whilst lining up and therefore managed to remain on the paved surface.
Secondly, let me also thank BAA who have categorically refused repeated requests by LHR airlines to set up a remote de-icing operation at LHR so that they can cope a little better with such extreme weather. Can I suggest they invest a little time and money and go for a jolly to OSL/ARN/HEL etc to see how things can work on days like yesterday.
Thirdly and on an unsarcastic note, to all those staff who stayed on those extra hours so that 'us up there' weren't left stranded, a big thankyou. Especially the one T1 BA dispatcher left at LHR, Matt, who had the un-enviable task of meeting 10 more aircraft at 0215 this morning. Also the ATCO who was providing ground/tower at midnight, dual frequency and quite likely operating a shift length that would make ones eyes water. Well played fella!>>
The AAIB, after a little more analysis than you, have published this:
http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/bulletin/jul03/pdf/gvsky.pdf
I've been searching for the bit in there about the crew "taxying at an inappropriate speed"... but don't seem to be able to find it...?? Heavy hints that the taxiways could have been deiced more, particularly when the fire trucks would not even approach close to the aircraft because they were concerned about sliding into it... and the whole area had to be deiced before even a coach could get near...
NoD
PS I do so later you apologised for some of the comments, so this post really to highlight the AAIB report... hope we all take the lessons from there!
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Speaking as a pax who lived through two winters in MUC and saw their superb remote deicing operation at first hand many times ... dear old BAA triumphs again.
I appreciate the difficulties of establishing a remote deicing op at LHR but that does not absolve BAA of this problem. It is beyond imagination that there is no monitoring of the taxiways during bad weather.
The fact that the emergency vehicles could not approach leaves one wondering what would have been the case if there was a fire. And I'm sure that no one is going to make a wise crack about the fire melting the ice!
To me, as a fairly regular user of LHR over the past 38 years, it only adds to my regularly asserted opinion that BAA are sleepwalking towards a disaster.
The AAIB note that no measurement of friction was taken after the incident means that no one has firm evidence to blame BAA? We can only hope that CAA do something significant before this winter.
Once again, a minor incident reveals that LHR has wonderful people holding this house of cards together. Whilst wondering why they do, I can only (again) express my appreciation that they do.
There is currently no requirement to measure or assess the taxiway surface friction conditions and no measurements were made before or after the incident.
I appreciate the difficulties of establishing a remote deicing op at LHR but that does not absolve BAA of this problem. It is beyond imagination that there is no monitoring of the taxiways during bad weather.
The fact that the emergency vehicles could not approach leaves one wondering what would have been the case if there was a fire. And I'm sure that no one is going to make a wise crack about the fire melting the ice!
To me, as a fairly regular user of LHR over the past 38 years, it only adds to my regularly asserted opinion that BAA are sleepwalking towards a disaster.
The AAIB note that no measurement of friction was taken after the incident means that no one has firm evidence to blame BAA? We can only hope that CAA do something significant before this winter.
Once again, a minor incident reveals that LHR has wonderful people holding this house of cards together. Whilst wondering why they do, I can only (again) express my appreciation that they do.
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If I remember correctly there wasn't any measurement of friction after the Britannia 763 skidded off at Birmingham.
There must be something in the manual advising against it
There must be something in the manual advising against it
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Without wanting to stir up anything else, just thought I'd let all concerned know that the AAIB report into this incident is now available at www.dft.gov...022809.hcsp
