Ryanair & NATS
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From: Dublin
It doesn't get away from the "where to from here?" situation which is looking pretty awful at the moment. The shareholders should provide a solution or we look at liquidation/acquisition - end of story. De-privatisation is not an option nor is subsidy - as that would be illegal and anti-competitive.
If an increase in cost is introduced that is acceptable to all parties that would be an equally valid solution BUT it would appear that NATS needs huge increases to survive and service users are not willing to pay above the odds willy nilly to bail out a "balls up" situation.
If an increase in cost is introduced that is acceptable to all parties that would be an equally valid solution BUT it would appear that NATS needs huge increases to survive and service users are not willing to pay above the odds willy nilly to bail out a "balls up" situation.
Joined: Nov 2001
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From: Major London Airport
RYR AND 'FLAG CARRIER'
MAINECOON
I certainly hope you do not give preference to our 'flag carrier' - which, may I remind you will not give us ID90 and treats us like s..t ! They look after foreign ATCOs all right though - especially the French who strike at least once every year.
Fortunately most foreign airlines - including RYR recognise the service the get - and DO give us ID90 !!
Good luck to RYR - they get my vote over our 'flag carrier' any day of the week.
I certainly hope you do not give preference to our 'flag carrier' - which, may I remind you will not give us ID90 and treats us like s..t ! They look after foreign ATCOs all right though - especially the French who strike at least once every year.
Fortunately most foreign airlines - including RYR recognise the service the get - and DO give us ID90 !!
Good luck to RYR - they get my vote over our 'flag carrier' any day of the week.
Time merchant
Joined: Sep 2001
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From: Belgium
Hmmm, ID90 off 99cents.
I save 90 cents!
Good for RYR I say. Why not rock the boat, it's sinking anyway.
mainecoon, I advise against submitting pprunisms after closing time, it makes you look a c*nt!
flowman
I save 90 cents!
Good for RYR I say. Why not rock the boat, it's sinking anyway.
mainecoon, I advise against submitting pprunisms after closing time, it makes you look a c*nt!
flowman
Joined: Mar 2000
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From: Arizona USA
Well now, isn't this a fine kettle of fish. The so called (by a misguided few) "best ATC" in Europe is failing miserably, operationally and financially. Perhaps the best course of action is to fold up the NATS shop and extend the French/Netherlands FIR to "take over" ATC services in the UK.
NATS apparently could not organise a p@ss-up in a brewery.
NATS apparently could not organise a p@ss-up in a brewery.
Joined: Apr 2002
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From: uk
What a thread! To those who can do anything about the NATS situation get on and fix it and don't let the inane rantings of a few celts and yanks bother you. I'd rather have a reassuring ENGLISH speaking professional looking after me than any one of the caretakers you can find elsewhere in this mad, apparently anglophobic aviation world of ours!!!!!
Oh and DFC a naval jack just happens to be the union flag, its identical to the union flag but is called a union jack when its flown at the jackstaff of a Royal Naval warship. Its the ensign at the other end that I think you were alluding to!
Oh and DFC a naval jack just happens to be the union flag, its identical to the union flag but is called a union jack when its flown at the jackstaff of a Royal Naval warship. Its the ensign at the other end that I think you were alluding to!
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From: Arizona USA
Bigears,
Missed the point you say?
Well could be but consider, poor audio on some frequencies (not good), and deminishing cash available (really not good), not to mention a shortage of staff.
And no one around who seems to have a clue of how to fix the problem.
Lets face facts here. ATC is a government responsibility and should NEVER, EVER be privatised...partially or fully.
Missed the point you say?
Well could be but consider, poor audio on some frequencies (not good), and deminishing cash available (really not good), not to mention a shortage of staff.
And no one around who seems to have a clue of how to fix the problem.
Lets face facts here. ATC is a government responsibility and should NEVER, EVER be privatised...partially or fully.
Joined: May 1999
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From: UK
411A, I agree entirely with your last post
Your post previous to that, though, appeared to give no credit to the operational staff (and some ) managers who can organise a p1ss-up in a brewery. A lot of problems have been caused by decisions made years ago, whilst privatisation may prove to be a knock-out blow to an organisation already stunned.
Your comment about shutting the NATS shop and extending the French/Netherlands FIR was, with respect, not thought out, and implies that at least part of the problem is with the operational staff, not the decisions made by higher up.
Your post previous to that, though, appeared to give no credit to the operational staff (and some ) managers who can organise a p1ss-up in a brewery. A lot of problems have been caused by decisions made years ago, whilst privatisation may prove to be a knock-out blow to an organisation already stunned.
Your comment about shutting the NATS shop and extending the French/Netherlands FIR was, with respect, not thought out, and implies that at least part of the problem is with the operational staff, not the decisions made by higher up.
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From: Ayrshire, Scotland
Atropos when you castigate others you tend to fall into the same trap. As an English speaking Celt who does not work in England but shifts lots of traffic in the UK airspace I think your "angolophobic world" is actually myopic.
