Did BACE 146 fly to wrong airport?
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BACE 146 MAN to BRU lost????
Only just heard this from a very reliable source amongst the crews at MAN. A week or so ago a 146 doing the scheduled MAN/BRU pulled up on stand when a CC member in the rear called the purser and said "Why if we are supposed to be going to Brussells does it say SCHIPOL AIRPORT on the buildings outside."
Sure enough they were at Schipol. There had not been a word to the passengers or to the Cabin Crew inflight to prepare them for this. The pax were offloaded to wander around the terminal totally bemussed and to suffer a 4 hour coach trip to Brussels. Now this bit I find hard to believe but when the Flight Crew were asked why they had ended up in AMS and had not told the pax, they were told words to this effect, "We got lost and had to divert here. And we didn't know what to say to the passengers."
Any truth in all this! Sounds pretty far fetched I grant you but apparently reports have been written.
Sorry if I'm wrongly labelling the Flight Crew as BACE, but it was definitely a 146, whoever operates that. I've lost track and sad to say interest.
Sure enough they were at Schipol. There had not been a word to the passengers or to the Cabin Crew inflight to prepare them for this. The pax were offloaded to wander around the terminal totally bemussed and to suffer a 4 hour coach trip to Brussels. Now this bit I find hard to believe but when the Flight Crew were asked why they had ended up in AMS and had not told the pax, they were told words to this effect, "We got lost and had to divert here. And we didn't know what to say to the passengers."
Any truth in all this! Sounds pretty far fetched I grant you but apparently reports have been written.
Sorry if I'm wrongly labelling the Flight Crew as BACE, but it was definitely a 146, whoever operates that. I've lost track and sad to say interest.
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I`ve heard of a similar incident some years back, but in stead of diverting because they were lost, the crew actually thought they were at the right airport and landed!Not getting through to ATC on the frequencies (of their destination airport) they assumed they had a radio failure and plugged the numbers in the transponder.Of course, by doing this all hell breaks lose with the radar controllers who can only monitor the flight as it flies towards what it thinks is its destination.
Upon landing, and again trying the ground control frequencies, they get a hold of ATC who asks them "What is the nature of your emergency?"
To add to the confusion, the passengers have begun to notice that they aren`t where they`re supposed to be, and since they have not been informed of any diversions, some of them begin to panic fearing that they have been hijacked!
Luckily this doesn`t happen too often, and I guess the crew were a bit bashful afterwards too.Not to mention a not so impressed management...
Don`t laugh - it could happen to you too!
Upon landing, and again trying the ground control frequencies, they get a hold of ATC who asks them "What is the nature of your emergency?"
To add to the confusion, the passengers have begun to notice that they aren`t where they`re supposed to be, and since they have not been informed of any diversions, some of them begin to panic fearing that they have been hijacked!
Luckily this doesn`t happen too often, and I guess the crew were a bit bashful afterwards too.Not to mention a not so impressed management...
Don`t laugh - it could happen to you too!
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FOAL
I vaguely remember a true incident of a Trans Atlantic American operator who ended up in Brussels (I think) making all the calls to FRA (his destination)
No the last thing I'm doing is laughing as I am only too aware after my fairly lengthy career, in flying that TBFTGOGGI.
Just like to know what if any of the story is true.
I vaguely remember a true incident of a Trans Atlantic American operator who ended up in Brussels (I think) making all the calls to FRA (his destination)
No the last thing I'm doing is laughing as I am only too aware after my fairly lengthy career, in flying that TBFTGOGGI.
Just like to know what if any of the story is true.
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Oh dear oh dear! Third (or fifth hand) gossip from a cabin crew crew room! And Freak- I've been a professional pilot for nearly 33 years and I one thing I have learned- don't pass on old 'folk lore' aviation stories- there is a very low margin of truth in them!
Finally, did you really have to give this thread this title? It does actually have another meaning. Airbis- you should have known better.
Finally, did you really have to give this thread this title? It does actually have another meaning. Airbis- you should have known better.
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Wrong Destination.
I think it was in 1978 I was an Area Radar controller at Gailes Radar, Scotland. I was working a BEA/BAW Trident from Heathrow to Glasgow. They had started their descent and I was vectoring them towards the GOW. The crew then said sorry but we think we should be going to Edinburgh. Sharp right turn to the EDI. Spoke to the captain later on the phone and he was convinced he was going to EGPF. It was only when he was on the PA to the PAX at top of descent, giving them WX at PF that a passenger said hang on we should be going to EGPH.
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>>FOAL
I vaguely remember a true incident of a Trans Atlantic American operator who ended up in Brussels (I think) making all the calls to FRA (his destination)
No the last thing I'm doing is laughing as I am only too aware after my fairly lengthy career, in flying that TBFTGOGGI.
Just like to know what if any of the story is true.<<
Yep, it's true. On September 5, 1995 Northwest 52, a DC10 DTW-FRA, had a little mixup and landed at BRU. For unknown reasons, a Shanwick controller changed the destination on a flight strip and it went downhill from there.
In retrospect, as always, there were multiple clues that something wasn't right. The fuel burn was low at TOD, the ILS freq didn't work, the pilots called FRA approach and tower, the controllers kept answering BRU etc. The pax could see they were not landing at FRA on the screens in the back, however the F/A's thought perhaps a hijacking was in progress and didn't call up front.
I vaguely remember a true incident of a Trans Atlantic American operator who ended up in Brussels (I think) making all the calls to FRA (his destination)
No the last thing I'm doing is laughing as I am only too aware after my fairly lengthy career, in flying that TBFTGOGGI.
Just like to know what if any of the story is true.<<
Yep, it's true. On September 5, 1995 Northwest 52, a DC10 DTW-FRA, had a little mixup and landed at BRU. For unknown reasons, a Shanwick controller changed the destination on a flight strip and it went downhill from there.
In retrospect, as always, there were multiple clues that something wasn't right. The fuel burn was low at TOD, the ILS freq didn't work, the pilots called FRA approach and tower, the controllers kept answering BRU etc. The pax could see they were not landing at FRA on the screens in the back, however the F/A's thought perhaps a hijacking was in progress and didn't call up front.
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If there were any truth to this one, it would have made the press- is it likely nowadays that a 146-load of disgruntled pax would all all keep quiet?
Sounds like someone retold the 1995 incident, and the story has grown in the retelling...
Sounds like someone retold the 1995 incident, and the story has grown in the retelling...
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Slightly off topic
But anyway.
My old maths master was a meteorologist in WW2 and was based at an aerodrome near Bristol.
One day (in 1941 I think) someone was watching a plane on its finals and realised it was Heinkel bomber (a 111?). Everyone rushed around assuming it was going to go bomb and strafe them.
It didn't. It landed.
The lewis gunners (who hadn't been at their stations) proceeded to shoot the plane up killing one of the crew. The plane burst into flames and was destroyed, much to the chagrin of the more shadowy elements of the RAF, who wouldn't have minded getting their hands on a German bomber.
The crew had got lost in cloud and thought they were landing in northern France.
My maths master often used to tell us this story to show us the importance of vectoring (I think).
I can't really believe that a Bae146 crew would make the same mistake nowadays although I do recall the poor chap who put a (737?) onto a disused airstrip near Belfast during the 80s.
My old maths master was a meteorologist in WW2 and was based at an aerodrome near Bristol.
One day (in 1941 I think) someone was watching a plane on its finals and realised it was Heinkel bomber (a 111?). Everyone rushed around assuming it was going to go bomb and strafe them.
It didn't. It landed.
The lewis gunners (who hadn't been at their stations) proceeded to shoot the plane up killing one of the crew. The plane burst into flames and was destroyed, much to the chagrin of the more shadowy elements of the RAF, who wouldn't have minded getting their hands on a German bomber.
The crew had got lost in cloud and thought they were landing in northern France.
My maths master often used to tell us this story to show us the importance of vectoring (I think).
I can't really believe that a Bae146 crew would make the same mistake nowadays although I do recall the poor chap who put a (737?) onto a disused airstrip near Belfast during the 80s.
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The aircraft you are thinking of may be the DANAIR hs 748 which found Langford Lodge(a disused airfield with a similar runway layout 3 dme )as the atis will now tell you.Having said that I was on duty once when the Scots handed over a bizjet inbound from the states .We weren' t expecting it nor indeed were any handling company.The aircraft was handed off to us somewhat high ...could not find the ILS and after much faffing about with a confirmation of frequency of said ILS found itself landing at Aldergrove.Only when safely on the ground did the crew advise they wanted to go to EDINBURGH!!!! A flaw in the flight plan caused everyone bar the crew to expect them to land in Ireland.In the end they taxiied round and departed...but as usual a combination of factors caused a problem .
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During WWII a student pilot on his final checkout and his instructor (a 2-ship) were just finishing their detail when the instructor saw 4 Zero's diving out of the sun at them. He ordered the student to hit the deck and get out of there. The stident, being rather full of himself, decided to take these bandits on. He used all the tricks and techniques he had been taught and actually shot down all four!!
Bu this time he was lost and started a search pattern for his ship. Just at the end of his fuel endurance he spotted his carrier on the horizon. After he landed he jumped down to the deck and shouted: HEY GUYS I HAVE JUST SHOT DOWN FOUR ZEROS". The landing deck officer smiled and said " ah yes buta you made wun small mishtake".
Bu this time he was lost and started a search pattern for his ship. Just at the end of his fuel endurance he spotted his carrier on the horizon. After he landed he jumped down to the deck and shouted: HEY GUYS I HAVE JUST SHOT DOWN FOUR ZEROS". The landing deck officer smiled and said " ah yes buta you made wun small mishtake".
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Now one of our 146's did once fly to the wrong airport - the Captain had got so used to his regular routing that he just plain forgot to turn after departure towards his new destination, and headed off to the usual place.
But as he was only flying parcels there was no fuss outside of the company.....happened a couple of years back. They just had to send another aircraft down to the intended destination to pick that night's freight up.
But as he was only flying parcels there was no fuss outside of the company.....happened a couple of years back. They just had to send another aircraft down to the intended destination to pick that night's freight up.
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This is a true story. While sitting on the cargo apron in DUB Saturday night about 6 years ago a BA ATP taxied in & parked. The captain then called S'air handling & asked why nobody was coming to offload his newspapers as he was running late & required a quick t/around. The S'air controller asked him to confirm his flight number & he would get back to him asap as he wasn't expecting him. The S'air controller called the captain back about 5 mins later again on VHF for all to hear & said "Yes (flight#) our colleagues in BFS are expecting you if you would like to make your way there" The ATP departed about 20 min's later without further fuss or RT transmissions to S'air....... 
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Heard similar stories about a flybe 146 last year when it dispatched from LGW with BRNAV u/s on a Scandinavian charter. They found the right airport eventually..it just wasn't where they thought it would be!
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Check the Contents for this forum.
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This part of the forum is suposed to be about "Rumours and News"
I was just after confirmation or otherwise of this story. Oh and I did say a reliable source, but you'll have to trust me on that one.
"old 'folk lore' aviation stories" very often have a high margin of truth in them as witnessed by all the other similar true tales prompted here.
For you to read anything else into the header for this thread is very pessimistic, but now I can see that it could be read another way and if I have upset anyone, by that, then I apologise.
(It takes 2 secs to see that it was nothing catastrophic)
This part of the forum is suposed to be about "Rumours and News"
I was just after confirmation or otherwise of this story. Oh and I did say a reliable source, but you'll have to trust me on that one.
"old 'folk lore' aviation stories" very often have a high margin of truth in them as witnessed by all the other similar true tales prompted here.
For you to read anything else into the header for this thread is very pessimistic, but now I can see that it could be read another way and if I have upset anyone, by that, then I apologise.
(It takes 2 secs to see that it was nothing catastrophic)
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Well I'm afraid reporting an aeroplane 'lost' has a completely different meaning to the one you intended to most people out there.
Whilst some of these stories are funny, you don't really think there is more than a grain of truth in most of them do you? All the old chestnuts that have surfaced on Pprune recently (the deserted wife told to sell her husbands car......the rocket assisted truck in the Arizona desert......<many more>), they are all myths. I think you would be hard pressed to prove most of these, but it doesn't stop them being funny.
Whilst some of these stories are funny, you don't really think there is more than a grain of truth in most of them do you? All the old chestnuts that have surfaced on Pprune recently (the deserted wife told to sell her husbands car......the rocket assisted truck in the Arizona desert......<many more>), they are all myths. I think you would be hard pressed to prove most of these, but it doesn't stop them being funny.
Are you sure this isn't an attempt at bad publicity during the scope shafting attempt?
As it is neither a rumour or news, surely it ought to now be deleted, or is there a sinister ploy that I can't quite see?
As it is neither a rumour or news, surely it ought to now be deleted, or is there a sinister ploy that I can't quite see?
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The DC10 going to BRU rather than FRA is true. I know, 'cos I was in the aircraft that landed after it. It made it into the papers the next day. Also, it's been used as a CRM module in the training department for the last few years in my company.
There are plenty of mistakes that could be made very easily, and every pilot is only as good as his or her last flight. However, I and various people I have spoken to have spend a long time trying to imagine the circumstances in which an aircraft we were flying might end up at the wrong airport with B737CFM or Airbus technology - but we couldn't.
There are plenty of mistakes that could be made very easily, and every pilot is only as good as his or her last flight. However, I and various people I have spoken to have spend a long time trying to imagine the circumstances in which an aircraft we were flying might end up at the wrong airport with B737CFM or Airbus technology - but we couldn't.
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wrong airfield
during wwii a luftwaffe fw190 lnded at pembrey in s wales , the pilot thought he was in northern france. the fw190 is now in the raf museum. during exercise lionheart in 84 we had a 737 land at gutersloh instead of wildenrath!!