Supposed Pilot refuses Security and gets arrested.
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Supposed Pilot refuses Security and gets arrested.
Usual caveats apply ok.
Video is from June 2023.
Just wondering if anyone knows more about this situation?
Keen to know as (with You Tube), comments, would he be psychologically ok to be a pilot - or was he a real pilot...?
Video is from June 2023.
Just wondering if anyone knows more about this situation?
Keen to know as (with You Tube), comments, would he be psychologically ok to be a pilot - or was he a real pilot...?
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14th February 2025, 02:32
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From: Downeast
He would not want me as his Chief Pilot.
The Jerk had numerous opportunities to just STFU and go through the screening process and get on with his travels.
There comes a time to just shut up and endure the aggravation in silence and go on about your business.
He did not avail himself of several chances to do just that.
He got handcuffed as standard procedure upon being placed under arrest.
Being disruptive and un-cooperative in a security screening area is legitimate grounds for arrest.
Were I to be the one determining his fate....he would be on the street looking for a job simply for bringing my airline into disrepute in public and having demonstrated a very inappropriate behavior.
The Jerk had numerous opportunities to just STFU and go through the screening process and get on with his travels.
There comes a time to just shut up and endure the aggravation in silence and go on about your business.
He did not avail himself of several chances to do just that.
He got handcuffed as standard procedure upon being placed under arrest.
Being disruptive and un-cooperative in a security screening area is legitimate grounds for arrest.
Were I to be the one determining his fate....he would be on the street looking for a job simply for bringing my airline into disrepute in public and having demonstrated a very inappropriate behavior.
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He’s either a Walter Mitty type/mentally unwell or he’s a pilot who’s having a breakdown/mentally unwell. My money is on the former as he’s not acting/talking like a pilot who’s having a bad day.
Also I can’t help but observe at 1:30ish the full, open palmed hand on the guys a$$. An area that had been repeatedly frisked by both hands using the back of the hand.
I understand back of hand and can just about put up with being frisked this way every now and then for ‘security’ but the open handed a$$ grope is not appropriate.
BD
Also I can’t help but observe at 1:30ish the full, open palmed hand on the guys a$$. An area that had been repeatedly frisked by both hands using the back of the hand.
I understand back of hand and can just about put up with being frisked this way every now and then for ‘security’ but the open handed a$$ grope is not appropriate.
BD
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It looks like he was a real pilot who was traveling personally. By tossing on a partial uniform he can travel with liquids. There is mention of someone already in the airport waiting for him. He used the KCM entrance and was picked for a random full inspection that sends you to the normal security. It appears that there he was picked out for some reason for a secondary inspection and he lost it. He mentioned being constantly randomed. TSA hates the KCM program because it was forced down their throats by Congress. Starting about 3 years ago they upped the random rate to pretty absurd levels. They are trying to kill the program.
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You know I’m inclined to agree with you Salivi. And now I’m thinking he’ll be taking the police to court and winning - handcuffed and charged with disorderly conduct & resisting arrest? The guy didn’t raise his voice or lift a finger and complied with almost everything the they asked for except for reproducing ID repeatedly.
It sounds like the short, bald cop handcuffed him for “being arrogant”. Would be interesting to see the final outcome.
BD
It sounds like the short, bald cop handcuffed him for “being arrogant”. Would be interesting to see the final outcome.
BD
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From: Downeast
He would not want me as his Chief Pilot.
The Jerk had numerous opportunities to just STFU and go through the screening process and get on with his travels.
There comes a time to just shut up and endure the aggravation in silence and go on about your business.
He did not avail himself of several chances to do just that.
He got handcuffed as standard procedure upon being placed under arrest.
Being disruptive and un-cooperative in a security screening area is legitimate grounds for arrest.
Were I to be the one determining his fate....he would be on the street looking for a job simply for bringing my airline into disrepute in public and having demonstrated a very inappropriate behavior.
The Jerk had numerous opportunities to just STFU and go through the screening process and get on with his travels.
There comes a time to just shut up and endure the aggravation in silence and go on about your business.
He did not avail himself of several chances to do just that.
He got handcuffed as standard procedure upon being placed under arrest.
Being disruptive and un-cooperative in a security screening area is legitimate grounds for arrest.
Were I to be the one determining his fate....he would be on the street looking for a job simply for bringing my airline into disrepute in public and having demonstrated a very inappropriate behavior.
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From: Austria
Normally, if a pilot is on duty, his priority number 1 is to get out to his aircraft, be it to operate it or to travel on it to/from active duty. While security searches differ between airports with the experience being less pleasant at some than at others, the following is general knowledge too:
- Security staff is acting under their rules and orders. They are not allowed to bend them for individuals, however strongly they may demand this. Discussing with those at the coal face is pointless.
- Not submitting to the security search will cause major issues up to and including disciplinary ones from ones company, see SASlesses post.
- A delay caused at, not by security will draw curiosity from ones company as well.
If one feels inappropriately treated at security or wherever else, there are reporting channels that can be used and that every pilot knows. Such reports will in my experience be investigated and resolved one way or another. But initially, being polite and complying with the lawful requests of security personnel is the quickest and least troublesome way across their checkpoint. The freedom to roll ones eyes when airside is not infringed upon.
And - an ID is generally quickly pulled out and shown. Once, twice, thrice, You name it.
That is, if one has it at hand.
- Security staff is acting under their rules and orders. They are not allowed to bend them for individuals, however strongly they may demand this. Discussing with those at the coal face is pointless.
- Not submitting to the security search will cause major issues up to and including disciplinary ones from ones company, see SASlesses post.
- A delay caused at, not by security will draw curiosity from ones company as well.
If one feels inappropriately treated at security or wherever else, there are reporting channels that can be used and that every pilot knows. Such reports will in my experience be investigated and resolved one way or another. But initially, being polite and complying with the lawful requests of security personnel is the quickest and least troublesome way across their checkpoint. The freedom to roll ones eyes when airside is not infringed upon.
And - an ID is generally quickly pulled out and shown. Once, twice, thrice, You name it.
That is, if one has it at hand.
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Don't mess and argue with the US TSA are the key words here.
Right after 9/11 a, AF French captain ( and the Airline) learned it the hard way . while being screened and patted a bit too close, the captain made this remark : "common guys , I'm the captain , do you think I am going to hijack my own plane ? " he was immediately taken aside in a room , the duration of which meant the flight had to be cancelled, If my memory serves me well. AF pilots are now extremely polite when screened ..
Right after 9/11 a, AF French captain ( and the Airline) learned it the hard way . while being screened and patted a bit too close, the captain made this remark : "common guys , I'm the captain , do you think I am going to hijack my own plane ? " he was immediately taken aside in a room , the duration of which meant the flight had to be cancelled, If my memory serves me well. AF pilots are now extremely polite when screened ..
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From: Honolulu
I can certainly understand his frustration, TSA random rates are much higher now and certainly can slow you down a bit particularly bad if catching a tight jumpseat.
KCM will be replaced by CMAP later this year. Appears to be a privately run company.
KCM will be replaced by CMAP later this year. Appears to be a privately run company.
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From: Village of Santo Poco
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From: Jupiter
Not really, there's a huge ecosystem of youtube content centred around fomenting agitation against the police, first amendment 'auditors' etc. If you're familiar with the 'theme' you can recognise it for what it is almost immediately. A certain crowd eat it up.
Just move on, mark uninteresting, etc. Or read the comments if you're really in the mood for bottomfeeding.
Just move on, mark uninteresting, etc. Or read the comments if you're really in the mood for bottomfeeding.
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From: cowtown
I was selected for additional screening while wearing my clip on tie and security pass . Sorry about this it’s random said the CATSA guy . No worries just as long as you warm your hands first as the last search I had their hands were really cold . “ My hands are still warm from the last thirty passengers said the agent . Who says they have no sense of humour ? There is only one rule in comedy it has to be funny and we both had a good laugh .
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He's got a blue hard sided suitcase LOL, no crew luggage tags, no streamers, no union stickers, no lanyard around his neck with the crew ID, the most generic pilot uniform bought online...
This guy just reeks of being a fake pilot. At most he is a flight instructor that just got his first fractional job.
They talk about his company ID and his passport. Did anyone ever ask to see his pilot certificate or did he offer to show it to clear things up?
I have been randomed 5 times in a row. You smile and bear it. Only takes a few minutes extra to throw your bags on the belt and go through the scanner in the fast lane. No big deal and certainly not worth jeopardizing your KCM, your job, your career and possibly screwing over your fellow KCM badge holders over.
This guy just reeks of being a fake pilot. At most he is a flight instructor that just got his first fractional job.
They talk about his company ID and his passport. Did anyone ever ask to see his pilot certificate or did he offer to show it to clear things up?
I have been randomed 5 times in a row. You smile and bear it. Only takes a few minutes extra to throw your bags on the belt and go through the scanner in the fast lane. No big deal and certainly not worth jeopardizing your KCM, your job, your career and possibly screwing over your fellow KCM badge holders over.
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I am sure we have all had our moment with security, although in the end there should be a "memory item" that alerts you to just put your ego aside, and let them get on with their job.
But for sure at some airports in the UK a bit more friendly approach would go a long way to make the day better for everyone.
But for sure at some airports in the UK a bit more friendly approach would go a long way to make the day better for everyone.