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Old 27th Jan 2024, 05:34
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I was on vacation in the US about 30 years ago. About three months before going on vacation I had been assaulted on the street in the UK with minor injury but it left me with some fears going out and I got taxis everywhere between bars if on a night out. Anyway on my US vacation I saw a pepper spray for sale quite openly in a pharmacy. I literally thought, oh great that's what I need. Ultimately I saw sense and did not purchase it.
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Old 27th Jan 2024, 07:12
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Last time we travelled on the LA Metro through Watts and Compton (not really recommended,by the way) a guy cruised the carriage demonstrating and selling Tasers . Quite tempting but glad I didn't bite.
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Old 27th Jan 2024, 16:54
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Originally Posted by India Four Two
Also off topic, but relevant.

I think many people in the UK don't appreciate the almost casual attitude to weapons that is quite prevalent in the US.

Years earlier, when I went to Houston for the first time, for a company course, a Texan colleague told me that probably 50% of the cars in the office car park would have a gun in the glove box.
That may be true to some extent but when I worked with the CAF in Texas there was a more or less fulltime volunteer member there who (besides being a complete erse) was reputed to keep a loaded Magnum in his glove-box. This was very dimly regarded and most people thought he was a danger.
The CAF in the mid '70s was a pretty yee-haar organisation too.
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Old 28th Jan 2024, 00:11
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Originally Posted by listria
Last time we travelled on the LA Metro through Watts and Compton (not really recommended,by the way) a guy cruised the carriage demonstrating and selling Tasers . Quite tempting but glad I didn't bite.

I went through Watts on the Metro, didn't feel unsafe at all..
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Old 28th Jan 2024, 01:18
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You think Watts is dangerous? Travelling through Brixton late at night on the Northern Line, I actually saw a guy fingering the handle of a slim shiv hidden up his sleeve. Of course, things have improved a lot since then.
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Old 28th Jan 2024, 09:48
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix
You think Watts is dangerous? Travelling through Brixton late at night on the Northern Line, I actually saw a guy fingering the handle of a slim shiv hidden up his sleeve. Of course, things have improved a lot since then.
think I’d rather travel through Watts than Brixton at night
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Old 28th Jan 2024, 10:41
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Pepper spray is useful if you seriously expect to encounter bears. My son did some serious back country travelling in Canada and took one with him. If I recall correctly you could hire one and if it were returned unused you got some money back.

Only use it on the bear if you have to do so. Some fools spray it on their clothes. And then the bear likes the smell of it and is attracted.

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Old 28th Jan 2024, 13:46
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Pepper spray and bear spray are very different things.
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Old 28th Jan 2024, 13:59
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Hi Abraham, which part of the post is wrong?
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Old 28th Jan 2024, 14:01
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Hi Asturias, semi auto.22 pistols are possible to obtain on a section one firearms licence.

Just to clarify, I am referring to .22 long barrelled pistols such as these:

https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/pistol...emi-auto/22-lr

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Old 28th Jan 2024, 14:58
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Its a very small number of ranges and competitors that can get one - they were banned for years but there was a slight softening for the Olympics which was later extended to a very limited larger community.
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Old 28th Jan 2024, 20:54
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Don't the Americans regularly carry weapons on the flight deck as part of the FFDO scheme? I'm no expert but it would seem quite understandable how someone could end up in the UK with such a device. Clearly not allowed, but you could see how it could happen.
All it takes is to forget about it in the UK (remember this guy probably brings this device with him to work every day when flying domestically in the US) and you've got the situation as reported.
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Old 29th Jan 2024, 02:55
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Well it is not the first time,,
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...F&opi=89978449
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Old 11th Feb 2024, 20:37
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Originally Posted by hunterboy
Hi Asturias, semi auto.22 pistols are possible to obtain on a section one firearms licence.

Just to clarify, I am referring to .22 long barrelled pistols such as these:

https://www.guntrader.uk/guns/pistol...emi-auto/22-lr
What is with the long bar extending off the bottom of the pistol grip in your link? Is that a permanent fixed device so you can't conceal the pistol?
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Old 11th Feb 2024, 21:20
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In the UK a rifle is defined as having a barrel over 300mm and overall length of 600mm.

The long bar is to bring the overall length of the gun over 600mm. It will also have a 300mm barrel
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Old 11th Feb 2024, 23:00
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Those saying the TSA should have picked it up on the outbound leg. I believe in the US, a pilot can take take a gun in their carry on baggage. Correct me if I am wrong, but I asked one once and they said yeah sure, no problem.
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Old 12th Feb 2024, 01:09
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If the pilot is a Federal Flight Deck Officer they just show their ID and there’s no screening. They go through background checks and federal law enforcement training. A regular pilot would be in trouble if caught with a firearm going through security. Anyone can have a firearm in their checked baggage if it is declared when checked.
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Old 12th Feb 2024, 02:41
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The gun has to be in a case locked with a non-TSA lock inside the luggage which most likely has a TSA lock. Many airlines ask to see the gun before it goes in the case. A smart traveler secures the gun case to the luggage somehow. Like a steel cable. Anyone can have a set of TSA keys.


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If the pilot is a Federal Flight Deck Officer they just show their ID and there’s no screening. They go through background checks and federal law enforcement training. A regular pilot would be in trouble if caught with a firearm going through security. Anyone can have a firearm in their checked baggage if it is declared when checked.
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Old 12th Feb 2024, 11:30
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There are very strict requirements for pilots in the FFDO program, including daily check-ins with the authorities to confirm your location and destinations. I’ve heard of a few instances where a crew was flying into SEA and had to divert to Vancouver (Canada) the FFDO pilot had some issues bringing in a firearm to Canada. It wasn’t an easy problem to resolve.
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Old 13th Feb 2024, 01:23
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Does a non-FFDO pilot have any choice as to whether they are paired with an FFDO partner?
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