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Old 23rd Feb 2024, 17:50
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https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ow-2024-02-22/
If Boeing/Airbus can't meet demand...does COMAC then become an alternative?
I think the answer is at the bottom of the article linked above :
But the predominant view among aviation industry leaders attending Asia's biggest aviation gathering was that COMAC had a long road ahead to become a serious competitor and it would largely operate in China's domestic market in the near term.
​​​​​​​The C919 story reminds me a bit of the Sukhoi SSJ , also a good aircraft on paper. But they never broke the Bombardier-Embraer duopoly.
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This video makes me concerned about Chinese construction of anything. This person also has videos showing building construction. 35000 ft in the air? No thanks.

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This video makes me concerned about Chinese construction of anything. This person also has videos showing building construction. 35000 ft in the air? No thanks.

https://youtu.be/q2ockFOVGp4
Same thing happened in Sweden, stay away from SAABs.
And in the US, stay away from Boeings.
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Old 24th Feb 2024, 17:23
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The first picture is of a bridge that was struck by a large ship, the second picture is of a bus that fell into the ship when the bridge was struck. hardly a design fault
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I dunno.
There is a fine line between theft of intellectual property and use of established technical knowledge in any industry.
State support for a developing competitor is nothing new and is hardly exclusive to China. Anybody ever looked at how much state support was given both Boeing and Airbus as well as any number of now defunct producers of airliners?
If the Chinese are really intent upon becoming competitors in the civil transport market and are therefore willing to devote the resources required to achieve that goal, then I think they will.
Ignore the next couple of decades of US and EU airliner sales and, as others have already noted above, look at China itself as a market along with all of the developing world countries who will be just as happy to accept Chinese airliners at a discount with friendly financing as they have been to accept Chinese infrastructure projects.
Let's not forget that my own country has pretty bad relations with much of what is called the Global South and to the extent that the BRICs exist as a block it's really only China that matters with India a distant second and Russia no more than a source of raw materials and oil. Not sure how Brazil really matters, although we don't enjoy cordial relations with them at the moment and Boeing has permanently lost the opportunity they had to acquire a competent developer of smaller airliners, just as they did with the C-Series. .
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If China really does take the long view, why the rush to get Europe certified, why not certify the C919 to fly only domestic routes, then with say a decades experience and a dozen or so crashes, the CCPTSB will have a good idea what works and what needs improving.
They would then be in a better position to be at least half as good as a Boeing.
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Old 25th Feb 2024, 02:15
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Screenshot taken off a YouTuber’s video from a tour on the C919 flight deck. Look at the speed limits for the flaps. Configuration and speed exactly the same as the A320.


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Originally Posted by dream747
S Look at the speed limits for the flaps. Configuration and speed exactly the same as the A320.
Do this implies it is exactly the same wing ? ( or an exact copy of )
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Originally Posted by ATC Watcher
Do this implies it is exactly the same wing ? ( or an exact copy of )
Was wondering myself. If anyone has any information do share!

Been trying to find videos or photos up close of the flaps when they are extended to see if they are similar to the A320 but haven’t been able to.
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Any idea how the "Foot Heater" works ? Is it just a hot air vent by the rudder pedals ot are the pedals heated ?

Also Is it just me or is the Philips head screw just below and to the right of the Foot Heater switch badly gronched, like you would get if you tried to tighten it with a too small Phillips head ?
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Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever
Any idea how the "Foot Heater" works ? Is it just a hot air vent by the rudder pedals ot are the pedals heated ?

Also Is it just me or is the Philips head screw just below and to the right of the Foot Heater switch badly gronched, like you would get if you tried to tighten it with a too small Phillips head ?
Looks like a Torx head to me?
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In the unlikely event it receives European approval Ryanair will no doubt put an order in.
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Looks like a Torx head to me?
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A new Iron Curtain is slowly falling.

A western airline with a fleet of C9X9 might be in for a rude surprise, especially the day China solves its Taiwan issue militarily.

Even certified I highly doubt any western airline would touch this thing.
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Originally Posted by Frank W. Abagnale
A western airline with a fleet of C9X9 might be in for a rude surprise, especially the day China solves its Taiwan issue militarily.
In those circumstances, the rude surprise will be far greater in scope than just the airlines.
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Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever

Also Is it just me or is the Philips head screw just below and to the right of the Foot Heater switch badly gronched, like you would get if you tried to tighten it with a too small Phillips head ?
Could be a Torx , but then 2 kind of screws to fix the same panel? but if this aircraft was the prototype , such things are not unusual as panels and other bits get often removed before and after test flights so I would not make a big fuss out of this, . But it this was a brand new airline delivered aircraft then it is another story.
I still remember visiting one of the B787 prototypes in static display in le Bourget. years back No photos allowed for a good reason , it was not a pretty sight inside.
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Old 26th Feb 2024, 20:32
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Originally Posted by Frank W. Abagnale
Even certified I highly doubt any western airline would touch this thing.
Westerners don’t mind Chinese drones (China’s DJI supplies 70% of the world’s drone sales). They don’t mind the ever increasing sales of Chinese vehicles, or other tech.

But commercial aircraft are a bridge too far?

Airbus really has the dominant edge in products narrowbody, but they’ll be swamped with orders and delivery backlogs. Boeing is a basket case and is pretending an early 60s short range commuter design can realistically compete as a medium range jet in the 2020s and into the 2030s.

If the C919 is proven to have a reliable track record over several years of service internally in China then it should attract orders from other airlines. A reliable C919 would be very attractive option compared to a MAX.

A new Iron Curtain is slowly falling.​​
I would say the exact opposite. People in western countries in the 50s-80s weren’t running with USSR built products everywhere in their household and society.
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Old 26th Feb 2024, 20:49
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Originally Posted by ATC Watcher
Could be a Torx , but then 2 kind of screws to fix the same panel? but if this aircraft was the prototype , such things are not unusual as panels and other bits get often removed before and after test flights so I would not make a big fuss out of this, . But it this was a brand new airline delivered aircraft then it is another story..
My understanding this is a picture of the instrument panel from an in service airframe, but hey fasteners aren’t important, just ask Boeing 🙄
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Old 27th Feb 2024, 03:12
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Originally Posted by Big Pistons Forever
My understanding this is a picture of the instrument panel from an in service airframe, but hey fasteners aren’t important, just ask Boeing 🙄
I think an odd fastener in the panel is preferable to no bolts in the door plug.
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So why is it so implausible that COMAC with strong government support can produce a world class aircraft? Embraer (Brazil) have no fewer than 8 EASA and FAA validated civilian aircraft type certificates.
Never underestimate China.
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