Tel Aviv and back
Wiggy , back in '73 war Trident 2 turned back from near TLV . Only back to Athens then LHR , as TLV-LHR nonstop was always a stretch .
Got turned back from LHR-Cyprus [Nicosia] in '74[ Turks invasion ] , again to Athens then LHR . Technology improved over the years for payload/range allowing longer diversions .
As well as Tafs , Notams , Politics [TLV always a difficult div. No Arab countries ; and vice versa ] , International news from papers , Ops imputs ...
Back to Glasgow from Western Isles [ Hebrides ] , rather than a nearby Isle ... Cost of inter Island ferries ..... Moscow weather ... Back to LHR from B757 days onwards , as shuttling back and forth from Helsinki-Moscow for a few days ate up the money . LHR - Bangalore , foggy time of the year . Raced down to beat the fog .. 100miles out ground staff radioed they could not see the other side of the office [ fog came in early ] raced onwards to beat fog in Chennai . Just made it , but we had 1 hrs holding fuel + div. to Muscat + reserves . Comforting.
Thus divs. and fuel carriage vary .
Hartington , were 2-3 B767s west bound from the Gulf that night . Airspace closed around them, independently all went to Nairobi . Several days later 1 came back the long way , round Indian Ocean , and around Russia to the North . Other 2 not being ETOPS qualified , awaited positioning crew who were ; and came back through Africa [ normal route ex. NBO ] .
ATC , back B4 the Wall came down , there were 4 RAF pilot qualified on B737s . They did sim chks every 3 months and supernumary trips up and down the Berlin corridors , followed by a days circuit bashing at RAF Gatow ... If politics had got tight they would have flown empty BA 73s up and down the corridors , to keep them open . As it was , in normal times you'd be in the corridor as a Mig sandwich , 1 , 500' above , 1 , 500' below . Thus Euro carriers could be crewed by mil. pilots .
And again back in history , Belfast was a volunteer destination , and in '90-'91 , B73 fleet asked for voluteers for crewing a casevac operation from Bahrain - Akrotiri , low level , hi speed to keep cabin altitude at sea level .
Needs must in aviation and situations all differ ,
rgds condor .
Got turned back from LHR-Cyprus [Nicosia] in '74[ Turks invasion ] , again to Athens then LHR . Technology improved over the years for payload/range allowing longer diversions .
As well as Tafs , Notams , Politics [TLV always a difficult div. No Arab countries ; and vice versa ] , International news from papers , Ops imputs ...
Back to Glasgow from Western Isles [ Hebrides ] , rather than a nearby Isle ... Cost of inter Island ferries ..... Moscow weather ... Back to LHR from B757 days onwards , as shuttling back and forth from Helsinki-Moscow for a few days ate up the money . LHR - Bangalore , foggy time of the year . Raced down to beat the fog .. 100miles out ground staff radioed they could not see the other side of the office [ fog came in early ] raced onwards to beat fog in Chennai . Just made it , but we had 1 hrs holding fuel + div. to Muscat + reserves . Comforting.
Thus divs. and fuel carriage vary .
Hartington , were 2-3 B767s west bound from the Gulf that night . Airspace closed around them, independently all went to Nairobi . Several days later 1 came back the long way , round Indian Ocean , and around Russia to the North . Other 2 not being ETOPS qualified , awaited positioning crew who were ; and came back through Africa [ normal route ex. NBO ] .
ATC , back B4 the Wall came down , there were 4 RAF pilot qualified on B737s . They did sim chks every 3 months and supernumary trips up and down the Berlin corridors , followed by a days circuit bashing at RAF Gatow ... If politics had got tight they would have flown empty BA 73s up and down the corridors , to keep them open . As it was , in normal times you'd be in the corridor as a Mig sandwich , 1 , 500' above , 1 , 500' below . Thus Euro carriers could be crewed by mil. pilots .
And again back in history , Belfast was a volunteer destination , and in '90-'91 , B73 fleet asked for voluteers for crewing a casevac operation from Bahrain - Akrotiri , low level , hi speed to keep cabin altitude at sea level .
Needs must in aviation and situations all differ ,
rgds condor .
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Jordan had an understanding with Israel on the land border crossing when we were in the area some years ago, you could cross but nothing would appear in your passport by way of stamps etc, done so it wouldn't cause problems with any of the other Arab entities.
One time when sitting on the ramp waiting for a load, we heard a USAF C130 asking for clearance. The controller said something like, "XXX, cleared to Amman, sorry, cleared to destination......", A woops moment.
Pegase Driver
I wonder if insurance cover played a part in the TLV turn back ? I cannot imagine insurance companies would want their aircraft operating in a war zone.
BPF
I don't thing there is any doubt as to the reason for the turn back.
Two things can be true at the same time.
