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Old 1st May 2023, 18:38
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It is "grey" because old-school Captains will regard the entire aircraft as "their" aircraft and enjoy thinking outside of the box in modifying rules, specially when away from Base.
My mind springs back to Pablo.
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Old 4th May 2023, 05:16
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I would say this more depends on the airline, not country that much. Some airlines allow friends and family on the jump, but it is still CPT that takes final decision
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Old 5th May 2023, 00:09
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Not down under….
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Old 5th May 2023, 00:31
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Originally Posted by Dingowalkabout
Not down under….
Australia has **** jump seating rules but there are other countries in the region with much a more friendly attitude to it all.
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Old 13th May 2023, 08:22
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It's high time for a review of jump seat rules over here. Not sure if many 7 year olds can pose a threat
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Old 13th May 2023, 15:39
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Originally Posted by JimT87
It's high time for a review of jump seat rules over here. Not sure if many 7 year olds can pose a threat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_593
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Old 13th May 2023, 23:55
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Originally Posted by hans brinker
Right. Let's not let anyone at all in the jumpseat in case the captain invites them to sit in the pilot's seat and manipulate the controls. Or we could allow reasonable flightdeck access on the basis that the flight crew aren't complete buffoons.
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Old 14th May 2023, 08:53
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Flight deck "access" and "use of jumpseat" are different. Broadbrush rules swept in after 9-11. Interpretation rule-bending became the norm.

Long time ago, Pushy Exec demanded use of a FD jumpseat. Reluctant Capt had heart attack just before V1. FO controlled, stopped, got the Skip to Hospital and gave the Exec a full debrief !

The Company DFO ruled that the Flight deck jump seats were no longer to be used as "an extention of the cabin". Good decision, no messing and we all supported.

"Access" is another matter and we all now what happened after 9-11.

Glory days are well over. I was granted many FD visits as a kid during summer holls. After a long visit, super MEA Viscount Skipper let me stay for landing & gave me a pair of MEA wings. I was 6.

As a Crew rostering clerk, I pursuaded many Captains to allow me a FD trip (most days off). One empty leg return to Gatters, Chief Pilot of the airline put me in his seat, RHS was a Senior Capt, Flight Engineer. I flew the big beast (Trainee PPL, 3 hours on Bolkow Junior) until girls down the back complained of being sick..


Decades on. Lots of lessons on. Most could see sense in complying with black & white Company procedures. Few would "nudge, nudge-wink,wink" and bend the rules eh ? Depends how pretty they are, I guess.


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Old 14th May 2023, 20:15
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Thumbs down

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Would you really risk sitting behind an Air France crew and the prospect of observing CRM , attitudes and behaviours from the 1970s and fragrantly stuck there. Not me. Give me a spikey gel - too cool for you....... any day !
I would. And I have. No issues.

I fly for a legacy airline in the US, which used to advertise that they train the best pilots in the world. I'd give the AF pilots actually higher marks than my own airline.

This comment above is this typical "I am better than you" condescending rubbish. I flew for a UK airline for a year and all I can say is that the UK is better in not making certain things public. Had two events that triggered MoRs, yet nothing was ever public/searchable. The common excuse or pretext is "that's procedure", it seems no more thinking is allowed. Don't start with the (non-existing) hand-flying skills.

We all know that our own poo doesn't stink.

Yes, all UK airlines are SUPERIOR to all the other airlines in the WORLD. Happy?
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Old 18th May 2023, 20:14
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Originally Posted by MerseyView
I am only aware of the UK, out of all Western European countries, banning non crew in the cockpit in their airspace. As always, they (we) believe they know better than Johnny Foreigner.
That's interesting. I have jumpseated in UK airspace on several occasions with different airlines since 9/11. Common sense prevailed.
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Old 19th May 2023, 07:54
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On UK airlines? If so you shouldn't have unless CAA rules have changed in the last few years since I retired>
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Old 19th May 2023, 09:19
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I'll just say that was with the full consent of all involved. Most enjoyable.
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Old 24th May 2023, 14:13
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Occasionally operating as a flying spanner on unsupported routes, permission has to be granted by company ops even for a company engineer to sit on the jump seat.
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Old 24th May 2023, 20:59
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A squadron-mate of mine who flies for a large U.S. carrier got himself in a bit of a pickle after his Son was bumped off the standby list, and he decided to let him sit in the cockpit JS. The gate agent snitched on him and he got a short vacation out of that incident.
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Old 31st May 2023, 16:46
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Originally Posted by Right20deg
Would you really risk sitting behind an Air France crew and the prospect of observing CRM , attitudes and behaviours from the 1970s and fragrantly stuck there. Not me. Give me a spikey gel - too cool for you....... any day !
What a stupid thing to say… what kind of nonsense is that?
The thread starter asks about which airline allow people to seat in the cockpit, how is your reply relevant?
As an Air France captain, I am deeply offended by your comment. Have you ever been in an AF cockpit? Have you ever attended one of our CRM training session? Are you even involved in the AF training department? I guess the answer is no so please, talk about what you know and refrain from criticising others when you have no clue or any knowledge whatsoever.
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Old 1st Jun 2023, 10:02
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Originally Posted by Jeff320
What a stupid thing to say… what kind of nonsense is that?
The thread starter asks about which airline allow people to seat in the cockpit, how is your reply relevant?
As an Air France captain, I am deeply offended by your comment. Have you ever been in an AF cockpit? Have you ever attended one of our CRM training session? Are you even involved in the AF training department? I guess the answer is no so please, talk about what you know and refrain from criticising others when you have no clue or any knowledge whatsoever.
Stupid thing to say….. agreed
not relevant ….. agreed
deeply offended …… understandable
been in an AF cockpit etc ….. no idea
No clue or knowledge…..

well to be fair with CVRs FDRs QARs and official reports there are some clues when comparing AF 447 in 2009 AF15 in 2011 and AF11 in 2022
in my honest opinion.

But back to the thread I’d happily take any AF JS to get to or from work.
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Old 27th Aug 2023, 19:30
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Also interested in this as a US Pilot. I'm mainly interested in speaking with someone from AirBaltic about it. I've got some friends in Latvia that I haven't see in a while. I'm totally on board with respecting the sensitivity of this issue but without any euro pilot friends I don't know where to start. Willing to provide a picture of my ID or any other info confirming my credentials.
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Old 4th Sep 2023, 06:16
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Originally Posted by 2991
Also interested in this as a US Pilot. I'm mainly interested in speaking with someone from AirBaltic about it. I've got some friends in Latvia that I haven't see in a while. I'm totally on board with respecting the sensitivity of this issue but without any euro pilot friends I don't know where to start. Willing to provide a picture of my ID or any other info confirming my credentials.
Hi! Are you planning to fly as an ID passenger with airBaltic?
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Old 4th Sep 2023, 07:16
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Originally Posted by twentyfivehundred220
Hi! Are you planning to fly as an ID passenger with airBaltic?
Yes sir I sure would be.
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Old 4th Sep 2023, 14:25
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In Singapore, only flight and cabin crew are allowed to use the jump seat, not even the ground staff let alone family members.
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