Flight Deck Jumpseat
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Do many countries still have no access to jumpseats for friends and family other than the U.K.
Or I could ask it another way. Which countries do?
Or I could ask it another way. Which countries do?
Would you really risk sitting behind an Air France crew and the prospect of observing CRM , attitudes and behaviours from the 1970s and fragrantly stuck there. Not me. Give me a spikey gel - too cool for you....... any day !
Srjumbo, on the surface, a not unreasonable question and, on the surface, reasonable but protective replies.
A "grey" area because most airlines do not regard the FD as an extention of the passenger cabin. Definitely, after 9-11, very strict rules were imposed regarding even "access" to the FD, let alone general carriage for pax.
It is "grey" because old-school Captains will regard the entire aircraft as "their" aircraft and enjoy thinking outside of the box in modifying rules, specially when away from Base.
I do not think you will get a list of airlines that allow friends and family on the FD, if indeed, there are any.
A "grey" area because most airlines do not regard the FD as an extention of the passenger cabin. Definitely, after 9-11, very strict rules were imposed regarding even "access" to the FD, let alone general carriage for pax.
It is "grey" because old-school Captains will regard the entire aircraft as "their" aircraft and enjoy thinking outside of the box in modifying rules, specially when away from Base.
I do not think you will get a list of airlines that allow friends and family on the FD, if indeed, there are any.
I found that it really depends from country to country and airline to airline. However, to protect those that continue to use common sense and give their captains discretion, I will not name those airlines.
Rules regarding flight deck access are security sensitive and not suitable for publishing on line. There are also some in the journalistic profession who like to produce inaccurate, often false, castastrophised stories about aviation.
SR, this was your first post on this forum.
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This SLF/attorney concurs with Consol -
but before the thread might be closed, the days of the "fam" - for familiarization - flights for ATCOs in the U.S. were quite a long time ago, as I recall. So much has changed, in the "aviation domain" and in general terms in the countries (and globally) where civil aviation operates, that any significant expansion of existing methods for allowing flight deck presence should be defined from the ground up. Fresh, clean sheet of paper.
For proof, today no one in their right mind speaks of flight deck access and security rules using words and phrases harkening back to that 1960s and early 70s television (or television-like) drama, Havana in Cuba.
but before the thread might be closed, the days of the "fam" - for familiarization - flights for ATCOs in the U.S. were quite a long time ago, as I recall. So much has changed, in the "aviation domain" and in general terms in the countries (and globally) where civil aviation operates, that any significant expansion of existing methods for allowing flight deck presence should be defined from the ground up. Fresh, clean sheet of paper.
For proof, today no one in their right mind speaks of flight deck access and security rules using words and phrases harkening back to that 1960s and early 70s television (or television-like) drama, Havana in Cuba.
I am only aware of the UK, out of all Western European countries, banning non crew in the cockpit in their airspace. As always, they (we) believe they know better than Johnny Foreigner.
This SLF/attorney concurs with Consol -
but before the thread might be closed, the days of the "fam" - for familiarization - flights for ATCOs in the U.S. were quite a long time ago, as I recall. So much has changed, in the "aviation domain" and in general terms in the countries (and globally) where civil aviation operates, that any significant expansion of existing methods for allowing flight deck presence should be defined from the ground up. Fresh, clean sheet of paper.
For proof, today no one in their right mind speaks of flight deck access and security rules using words and phrases harkening back to that 1960s and early 70s television (or television-like) drama, Havana in Cuba.
but before the thread might be closed, the days of the "fam" - for familiarization - flights for ATCOs in the U.S. were quite a long time ago, as I recall. So much has changed, in the "aviation domain" and in general terms in the countries (and globally) where civil aviation operates, that any significant expansion of existing methods for allowing flight deck presence should be defined from the ground up. Fresh, clean sheet of paper.
For proof, today no one in their right mind speaks of flight deck access and security rules using words and phrases harkening back to that 1960s and early 70s television (or television-like) drama, Havana in Cuba.
Scrumbo did ask, specifically, abiout "family and friends".
He didn't ask about FAA inspectors, ID holders, Training Captains, CAA inspectors, really pretty female hosties etc.
Whatabout the owner/CEO who was on a cheeky jolly but must get back for Board room meeting regarding the future of the company. Begs for a set and tells all to keep hush ? - What would you do ? Happened to me !
He didn't ask about FAA inspectors, ID holders, Training Captains, CAA inspectors, really pretty female hosties etc.
Whatabout the owner/CEO who was on a cheeky jolly but must get back for Board room meeting regarding the future of the company. Begs for a set and tells all to keep hush ? - What would you do ? Happened to me !
But, as is often the case with PPRuNe, due to a majority of British and American members, many answers are based on the strict CAA and FAA policies. There are many other aviation authorities in the world and many of those are not as strict. All I'm saying is that outside the USA and the UK it's not so black and white.
