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Old 11th Jan 2023, 10:28
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USA flights stopped. FAA computer outage.

BREAKING: FAA computer outage causing US flights to be grounded nationwide


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"computer outage" - don't they have redundant systems?
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'Sounds like the NOTAM system is down?
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Old 11th Jan 2023, 11:22
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Article in The Times.

All US flights grounded after computer glitch

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All flights in the United States have been grounded because of a failure with a government agency’s computer system.

In a statement, the Federal Aviation Administration said: “The FAA is working to restore its notice to air missions [Notam] system. We are performing final validation checks and repopulating the system now. Operations across the national airspace system are affected.”
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Old 11th Jan 2023, 11:25
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The BBC are saying it’s a glitch in the Notice to Air Missions System.
Do they call NOTAMS that in the states? I thought it was Notice to Airmen.
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Originally Posted by uffington sb
The BBC are saying it’s a glitch in the Notice to Air Missions System.
Do they call NOTAMS that in the states? I thought it was Notice to Airmen.
Well, it used to be called Notice To Airmen...but wokeness changed it to "missions".
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Old 11th Jan 2023, 11:34
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I realised just after I posted, that NOTAM had the dreaded M word in it!
thanks for the clarification.
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The Federal Aviation Administration early Wednesday ordered airlines to pause all domestic departures until 9 a.m. ET, to allow the agency to restore a critical system that alerts pilots and crew to safety advisories and other information for flights.

The agency, which oversees and manages the aviation network in the U.S., said it is working to restore its so-called Notice to Air Missions System. “Operations across the National Airspace System are affected,” the FAA press office said. It said it was performing final checks to get the system back up and running.
Reportedly some international flights to London and Tokyo were still taking off.

Source: WSJ


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Old 11th Jan 2023, 11:40
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FR 24 looks pretty busy if there is a ground stop.

On a more careful look at the detail ... most of them in the air are freighters. UPS, DHL, Prime, FedEx etc. Don't they need NOTAMS ?
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Since I live in the States, Notice to Air Missions just does not have the ring to the ears as Notice to Airmen. Between this and the Southwest meltdown, is anyone changing their summer holidays in the United States?
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This could mean that flights take off without ten pages for each airport detailing .1° changes to bearings, obstacles 4 feet tall near an airport and a couple of bulbs blown on a Cat 3 installation. This is clearly as big a risk to aviation as the 737Max MCAS events!
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This could mean that flights take off without ten pages for each airport detailing .1° changes to bearings, obstacles 4 feet tall near an airport and a couple of bulbs blown on a Cat 3 installation. This is clearly as big a risk to aviation as the 737Max MCAS events!
To be fair, the relevant issues should have been reported too.
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On the Twitter (i cannot attach the link), FAA says:
"Update 4: The FAA is making progress in restoring its Notice to Air Missions system following an overnight outage. Departures are resuming at
@EWRairport and @ATLairport due to air traffic congestion in those areas. We expect departures to resume at other airports at 9 a.m. ET."

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Will they issue a NOTAM that the NOTAM system is not working?
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Update 5: Normal air traffic operations are resuming gradually across the U.S. following an overnight outage to the Notice to Air Missions system that provides safety info to flight crews. The ground stop has been lifted. We continue to look into the cause of the initial problem
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Will they issue a NOTAM that the NOTAM system is not working?
ROFLMAO!
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The only thing I can guess might have created such a big stink is the regulatory obligation to provide preflight information to the crews. I'm not much of a jailhouse lawyer but these regs come to mind. Read them and kill some brain cells:

FAR Part 91.103(a) 121.539 121.551. 121.601(a)

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Originally Posted by Consol
This could mean that flights take off without ten pages for each airport detailing .1° changes to bearings, obstacles 4 feet tall near an airport and a couple of bulbs blown on a Cat 3 installation. This is clearly as big a risk to aviation as the 737Max MCAS events!
Well taxying into a closed taxi way or ignoring WIP somewhere can ruin your day if no-one tells you before . I also understand that in the US you can have commercial operations in non-towered airpports . and there are legal considerations too as mentioned above.
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Another feather in the cap of Mayor Pete.

The FAA Administrator position has been vacant since March 2022. At best, poor optics.
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Originally Posted by Consol
This could mean that flights take off without ten pages for each airport detailing .1° changes to bearings, obstacles 4 feet tall near an airport and a couple of bulbs blown on a Cat 3 installation. This is clearly as big a risk to aviation as the 737Max MCAS events!
If you consider that Restricted zones (eg TFRs in US, different types met around the world) and dangerous events are also published by NOTAMS, this is a kind of a problem not to have current information before you hit the (air-)way...
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