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Passenger lands Cessna Caravan in West Palm Beach after pilot incapacitation

Old 13th May 2022, 16:37
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Old 14th May 2022, 08:46
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Can they maybe talk Harrison Ford into taking a leading role?
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Old 14th May 2022, 10:10
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Unlikely for an emergency landing ; runway 10R is only 3214 feet long.
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Old 14th May 2022, 13:52
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Of course, identifying such a person is going to require an interesting pa from the cabin crew .......
United 232 at Sioux City, though I think in this case Dennis Fitch identified himself, rather than was found through a PA announcement
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Old 14th May 2022, 15:12
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I'm pretty sure that a Caravan is still small enough that you could see the cockpit from the back row. Everyone that has any snap at all would know that something "ain't right" up front if the pilot is slumped over/falling out of the seat.
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Old 14th May 2022, 17:58
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Obba,

Your misinterpreting that photo. The Passinger is not a Student pilot, nor is the other person his instructor. It was meant in jest since the guy on the left was the tower operator who “instructed” the non pilot how to land the Caravan.
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Old 14th May 2022, 19:26
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Originally Posted by Chiefttp
Obba,

Your misinterpreting that photo. The Passinger is not a Student pilot, nor is the other person his instructor. It was meant in jest since the guy on the left was the tower operator who “instructed” the non pilot how to land the Caravan.
But I do believe he was a flight instructor too
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Old 14th May 2022, 20:06
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His RT was too professional not to have any piloting experience.
You think ? 10-4 ?
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Old 15th May 2022, 00:50
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he was there because I knew nothing about the aircraft systems etc

I recall you and I doing something along those lines years ago at Essendon. Wx rough as guts, never been in one before, and you flew the bird like it was an early morning calm high pressure system. Best I could ever do with that Type was throw it ungracefully on the runway. I still shake my head occasionally when I think back to that project/flight.

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Old 15th May 2022, 02:51
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Ahh JT, now don't spoil the illusion by posting pics of my hauling, a one engine inoperative, DC9 off the edge of the runway at Avalon to avoid the grass - during those crosswind, engine failure tests. But I think that I had one previous flight in the DC9 prior to that, so was miles in front. Learned how quickly things can become very limiting, with engine failures, around Vmcg with strong crosswinds.
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Old 15th May 2022, 04:59
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Indeed, the runway width tests were interesting. I can still recall watching the video viewfinder from runway head with the Vmcg cuts (probably still have the tapes in the bottom of one of the archive cabinets) .... Diesel out to the left, out to the right, eventually where you were aiming to put it ... for those who haven't played with videos and 1000 mm lenses, it's fun. Conventional airline jock wisdom was that the Diesel was locked to the centreline. Guess no-one had had any Vmcg failures in training or on the line ?

Actually, I was going back to the Aztruck/Navajo target towing mod program ....
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Old 15th May 2022, 10:09
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Originally Posted by DuncanDoenitz
OTOH; there's a better probability of having someone else in the cabin with a close-to appropriate skillset.

Of course, identifying such a person is going to require an interesting pa from the cabin crew .......
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Old 15th May 2022, 10:12
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Co-pilot

Back in the early 90s I flew a lot with "Air Sunshine"in twin engined nine seaters.All but once I sat in the right hand seat for three hours over the Bahamas to Miami.
As ex RAF elect I recognised most of the controls and instruments but never had to do what the Caravan chap had to do!Could I do it?I would have a good chance!Oh before flight sim was available!Dis sit in the captains seat of a shack once while skipper went down the back!!
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Old 15th May 2022, 22:38
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There's two pilots who frequent my local watering hole. One flies high-performance piston singles, and the other twinjets for a LCC. One evening I asked them that if they swapped aircraft, who would crash first? IIRC both immediately said "me".
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Old 16th May 2022, 00:21
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Originally Posted by 25F
There's two pilots who frequent my local watering hole. One flies high-performance piston singles, and the other twinjets for a LCC. One evening I asked them that if they swapped aircraft, who would crash first? IIRC both immediately said "me".
Unlikely. because humble pilot
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Old 16th May 2022, 07:10
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Juan Browne from the youtube blancolirio channel has done a couple of interesting videos on the subject. The Last one us the Tracon area controller and part time flying instructor who talked him down. I believe that today, Monday, he is doing a third interview and video with the pilot/passenger who landed the aircraft so hopefully we'll know more after that interview.
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Old 16th May 2022, 08:17
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Here is Juan's interview with the ATC/Instructor:

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Old 16th May 2022, 16:54
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Watched the interview with the controller.

The passenger/pilot asked "shouldn't we put flaps?" so they put in flaps but the pilot said the plane felt unsteady, didn't seem willing/able to trim it out, so they took out the flaps.

They pulled out the pilot's radio headset when they moved him out of the way, sounds like they damaged the connectors in the process.

The Garmin was black? How did that happen?

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Old 16th May 2022, 20:16
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Originally Posted by bluepost22
Watched the interview with the controller.

The passenger/pilot asked "shouldn't we put flaps?" so they put in flaps but the pilot said the plane felt unsteady, didn't seem willing/able to trim it out, so they took out the flaps.

They pulled out the pilot's radio headset when they moved him out of the way, sounds like they damaged the connectors in the process.

The Garmin was black? How did that happen?

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In the GA aircraft I know if you take the right-seat guy´s headset (I understand it remained plugged in) and try to talk pushing the pilot push-to-talk it would not work. So there´s a slight inconsistency in this part of the story.
Anyway, kudos to this guy (and/or the guy in the right seat) and the controller who talked him down. I regularly have problems talking down guys in more simple airplanes while sitting nest to them.
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Old 17th May 2022, 11:35
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I read elsewhere that the pilot-passenger says he "dragged the pilot out of his seat".
It is almost impossible to remove a pilot from a 737 seat if incapacitated, even with all the considerable space around. Having flown the Caravan extensively and knowing the houdini -like exercise it is to get a fully mobile person from front seats to cabin I thoroughly doubt this part of the story so for me it casts some doubt on the veracity of other details too.
He did well if he pulled off a flapless landing too, those things are quite reluctant to slow down and float forever landing flap up.
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