777x woes
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What exactly has happened on that test flight? So they can't start any certification work yet?
Personally I don’t see a long term future for Boeing as it is presently configured. It has been too badly broken at every level by a management culture that knew the cost of everything and the value of nothing.
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During the design phase of the 777x and due to the longer fuselage, a system like the 737 MAX (MCAS) was probably needed to satisfy the stalling characteristics of the 777x.
The CCS software of the 787 appearing in the 777x seems an interesting debate.
Considering how many great engineers Boeing once had on the 777 and other programs, it is a reflection of cost driving quality and profit!
The CCS software of the 787 appearing in the 777x seems an interesting debate.
Considering how many great engineers Boeing once had on the 777 and other programs, it is a reflection of cost driving quality and profit!
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There is a stability issue with the tail section...in reality, the 777 already had this, hence the infamous "flutter" "fix" which makes the rear pax and crew seasick...
Rather that redesign the tail, which would have taken the ac out of rapid approval, BA chose the usual software fix...last test fight was what 8 months ago, and yet still no idea from BA what went wrong.
the results from several tests, as well as test flights, have been hidden, until this latest FAA report...
cert maybe by mid 2024?
Emirates was supposed to get the ac delivered in 2020....and they are not happy...now they must be livid.
Rather that redesign the tail, which would have taken the ac out of rapid approval, BA chose the usual software fix...last test fight was what 8 months ago, and yet still no idea from BA what went wrong.
the results from several tests, as well as test flights, have been hidden, until this latest FAA report...
cert maybe by mid 2024?
Emirates was supposed to get the ac delivered in 2020....and they are not happy...now they must be livid.
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FAA Letter
Tweet linked here contains text of FAA letter.
davidshepardson (@davidshepardson) Tweeted:
.@FAANews letter to @Boeing https://t.co/0ymxWa2Vq7 (reported earlier by Seattle Times) https://t.co/9reBeqjJlD
davidshepardson (@davidshepardson) Tweeted:
.@FAANews letter to @Boeing https://t.co/0ymxWa2Vq7 (reported earlier by Seattle Times) https://t.co/9reBeqjJlD
That letter is not pretty. Fast, Cheap, Good. pick one. Sadly it is now more than 20 years since Boeing senior management picked “good” ……
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They caught the Max issues before EIS as well. They just made the financial choice to play the blame
game and deal with the fallout, rather than fix the problems. 🤔
Its not a manufacturer anymore, its a Brokerage firm. Putting out the same quality aircraft as you would get if JP Morgan was building airliners. You can thank the Fed for that. 👍
game and deal with the fallout, rather than fix the problems. 🤔
Its not a manufacturer anymore, its a Brokerage firm. Putting out the same quality aircraft as you would get if JP Morgan was building airliners. You can thank the Fed for that. 👍
Time to move group HQ back to Seattle.
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Shame it took such a sad series of accidents for the FAA to finally grow some balls and tell Boeing their processes aren't good enough.
It will be interesting to see how this effects customer deliveries and training!
It will be interesting to see how this effects customer deliveries and training!
short flights long nights
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As EK is struggling to fill its current 777s.. they may be happy for the delay.
As EK is struggling to fill its current 777s.. they may be happy for the delay.
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Looking at the tweeted images of the letter, FAA actually told Boeing that they had in fact failed to even follow their own processes let alone comply with the FAA's.
I would have thought (and in fact the letter implies) that whether/when to apply for TIA would be the subject of much discussion prior to application so that there would be no surprises or maybe an "ok but on review we've identified some minor hold ups", whereas this letter is in effect a total slap down. So much that I wonder if the ODAs at Boeing were being pressured from above to submit when they knew they weren't ready and asked the FAA smack them as hard as possible for it so they had a big "told you so" to beat management with. Don't suppose we'll ever find out.
Looking at the tweeted images of the letter, FAA actually told Boeing that they had in fact failed to even follow their own processes let alone comply with the FAA's.
I would have thought (and in fact the letter implies) that whether/when to apply for TIA would be the subject of much discussion prior to application so that there would be no surprises or maybe an "ok but on review we've identified some minor hold ups", whereas this letter is in effect a total slap down. So much that I wonder if the ODAs at Boeing were being pressured from above to submit when they knew they weren't ready and asked the FAA smack them as hard as possible for it so they had a big "told you so" to beat management with. Don't suppose we'll ever find out.
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or to Antarctica. Everyone but the engineers.
or to Antarctica. Everyone but the engineers.
Wirbelsturm
A shame, yes, but good news, actually, that FAA certification executives did not stand in the way of this letter authored by an FAA engineer. A glimmer of hope that FAA is taking such stands.
A shame, yes, but good news, actually, that FAA certification executives did not stand in the way of this letter authored by an FAA engineer. A glimmer of hope that FAA is taking such stands.