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Brexit and the Aviation industry

Old 26th Mar 2021, 13:20
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Easa could have easily recognised U.K. licences like the U.K. have done for the next two years so this mess could be dealt with properly.
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 13:25
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The only reason why UK is recognising EASA licences for the upcoming two years, is because UK CAA is nowhere near ready to revert to fully capable regulatory authority on FCL (among all the other parts) just yet. EASA have no such problem.

You can't even begin the EASA to UK licence conversion process until 1st April.
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 13:28
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To give them credit the UK CAA may also be trying to prevent those who hold EASA licences (or transferred out from the UK to another EASA state) on orders of their employer, or in order to just try and preserve hard won privileges being stripped away as a by-product of a political situation, from being unable to fly in the UK - bravo!
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 15:30
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Nope, as there is no legislation allowing it. That would have to be proposed by the council, drafted by the commission and agreed upon by the European Parliament. The process takes usually around 2 to 3 years.
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Old 26th Mar 2021, 15:53
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Is the IAA issuing new licenses? Applied last year but haven't heard back not reachable via phone or email.
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Old 27th Mar 2021, 00:07
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Any UK passport holders been successful in finding an EU based job since Brexit came into effect?

COVID situation notwithstanding, all job offers across the EU now come with the caveat 'Must have unrestricted right to live and work in Europe'. My understanding is that this means UK passport holders are not eligible.
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Old 27th Mar 2021, 10:50
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Meanwhile ex sandpit UK pilots crying about Aer Lingus employing Irish pilots in Manchester....
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Old 27th Mar 2021, 12:18
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JUST Irish/EU pilots, or plus British pilots? The former shouldn't be allowed. Fine to employ Irish pilots in the UK, but not ok to exclude British. If so, a complaint to the minister for employment/DWP or EHRC should put a stop to this discrimination.
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Old 27th Mar 2021, 12:40
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No one is excluded, in fact it is likely that many if the pilots starting in MAN will be UK citizens that have worked at EI in Ireland. Brexit plus Covid has resulted in the perfect storm for UK pilots. When plenty of jobs were available in the middle east, in europe with easyJet or Ryanair or even in Ireland with the UK charters, non one complained.
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Old 27th Mar 2021, 17:59
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The IAA are taking quite long due to the pandemic on license issue. But they are issuing licenses.

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Old 27th Mar 2021, 22:03
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The IAA have told me that a change of SOLI takes 12 weeks if all goes well.
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Old 27th Mar 2021, 22:11
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Odd both airlines are part of same group yet the part based c200 miles southish of EGCC are not but the one in a foreign bailiwick is ?
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 06:57
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The complaints are in, DWP, HO, DfT CC MP's and Transport Committee. They cannot claim that they aren't aware, its just whether or not they are interested. It wouldn't have taken much to get AL to drop their discriminatory clauses as a cost of gaining approvals. The question will be if this is allowed to continue if they bring more aircraft across.
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Old 30th Mar 2021, 07:32
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what discriminatory clauses? Donít spread falsehoods

If letís say BA were to set up a subsidiary based in Ireland would you expect them not to extend the job offer to their pilots with the right to work and live there?
Any difficulties faced by UK license holders to work in EU countries are a product of the Brexit negotiations. Unfortunately the UK government did not do a good job in this field. It is the UK CAAís choice (sovereign decision) to validate EASA licenses (only for two years). There are plenty of British pilots with EASA licenses and ALL of them have the right to work and live in Ireland.

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Old 2nd Apr 2021, 20:01
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I am probably getting confused here but I think we are on the same page. My question I suppose is what is meant by "right to work in the EU". Does it actually mean freedom of movement rights as in right to live and work in any EU country or does it mean Right to live in Ireland (which UK nationals have) which just happens to be an EU country. If EI mean the former then it discriminates but it is not Aer Lingus doing the discriminating, they haven't changed anything. It is the UK Government that has made changes and these are detrimental to UK pilots.
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Old 7th Apr 2021, 19:16
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Big mistake by UK to leave EGNOS... no LPV approaches after 24th June...
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Old 7th Apr 2021, 19:34
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Which to be fair the government told everyone back in Dec 2020 (in the planning department basement, hidden under a pile of rubbish and written in Sumerian). Look back at post 132. I cannot see who has enough clout to champion rejoining EGNOS so airfields can renew their EWA. Just remember there are non-EU nations (Morocco, Serbia) who seem perfectly capable of having an agreement with EGNOS (and having LPV) but not being in the EU. And we invested so much in the project too....
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 15:08
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So are they still doing SOLI? or do you have to go through exams and flight tests (again). I hear if you did not intend going EASA pre end of Dec 2020 but you do now as a UK licence holder your er pumped. But if your an EASA licence holder/or a UK who did SOLI pre Dec 2020 you can now hold both a EASA and UK licence. Thanks minister of funny walks who sorted that out if that is correct means UK licence holders are really in a fix. Standing by to be corrected as not looking to change but some folk are.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 15:22
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HEMS. That’s a pretty accurate summary.
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Old 29th Apr 2021, 16:09
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Pretty much, but just to make it even simpler for Pre 2021 non-UK EASA holders they can continue to fly G-reg in the UK until the end of 2022 using their EASA licence and a validation document free to download from the CAA.

For those UK EASA licence holders who did SOLI before 2021 it's mixed - if you new EASA licence issue date is before April 2021 then same as above. If not then until you apply for and receive your new UK licence (no timescales given) then you cannot fly G-reg in the UK.

Great for pre-2021 non-UK EASA licence holders, which is wonderful for my fellow professionals in that situation, and makes perfect sense.

Not so great for former UK EASA holders whose SOLI dragged out outside of their control.

Awful and nonsensical for UK EASA holders who in the future want to fly under EASA and didn't SOLI out before 2021 through their own choice or because their employment circumstances made it impossible.

Last edited by rogue leader; 29th Apr 2021 at 21:46.
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