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BA - Alex Cruz - OUT, Sean Doyle - In.

Old 13th Oct 2020, 07:23
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Oh, and KungFu Panda. Boring.
At this point Iíve seen enough of his ramblings to know that he is no soothsayer.
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Old 13th Oct 2020, 18:26
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Sean Doyle is the son of a policeman and grew up in Youghal, County Cork. He was 'Network, fleet and alliances director' at BA before he left for Aer Lingus. He originally joined BA back in 1998.
Did Luis Gallego give him the job or did the BA board appoint him?
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 07:19
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As I once, somewhat embarrassingly, said to my then current manager about another manager...."Is he a manager or does he have a skill"

People managers have all but disappeared. Today's managers are those that do little but politic, say yes and operate on the policy of "F*** the quality, feel the width" (ie produce endless slides with no point but looks like they have been working hard). End result is useless managers who have no idea of the job, no idea of what the people doing the job need and no idea that their customers wonder why companies cannot deliver what is supposed to be their core competence.

When I was in the RAF on basic training, my Senior Officer would go to the NCO's and asked if they follow me (or other trainee's). If they said no then that was basically it. Who wants an Officer that can't lead.

So, horray for the end of Cruz, Walsh etc They may think they have done a good job but it could have been double or triple the outcome if they had taken the staff with them.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 10:16
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Exclamation People managers have all but disappeared

I have been a Senior Manager for many years and I can confirm the above, unfortunately Project Management theories (originating mainly from the US) are based on constant improvement methodologies which is translated in indefinite cost cutting, e.g. Lean 6 Sigma methodologies end up in improving efficiency through aggressive cost cutting in an indefinite way. Obviously this is suicidal, working conditions have seriously deteriorated in the last couple of decades, across all sectors not just aviation. It is a scary trend. Happiness and work satisfaction is ignored thus creating a society of overworked and overstressed employees with huge negative repercussions on public expenditure like NHS work stress related conditions. We are basically ruining our lives. The endless slides have taken over, common sense is gone. COVID19 is proving how incompetent decision makers are without a scripted slide to follow. People Managers are the most precious element of any successful organization, we should put people well-being & environment before profit (as it used to be) however the present system does not allow it. Cost cutting & profit is the top priority even if this means ending up with a very unhappy and slaved workforce, most multination companies are not interested in People Managers at all. Very sad indeed.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 11:00
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Originally Posted by Plastic787 View Post
At this point Iíve seen enough of his ramblings to know that he is no soothsayer.
Sorry but I'm just stating the obvious. I said back in June when the share price was £2.30 that the next stop was 90p. I was right. Now the next stop is 45p. The value of the company is currently defined by it's cash. That cash is burning fast. This is a Norwegian Air situation.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 11:21
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The longer I have been working in large organisations the more I come to subscribe to the Peter Principle. It observes that people in a hierarchical organisation tend to rise to their "level of incompetence": I.e. employees are promoted based on success in previous jobs until they reach a level at which they are no longer competent. Then they tend stay there, much to everyoneís displeasure.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 16:27
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If anyone mentions the word “Transformation” then sell straight away.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 16:46
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Spot on. Where is the 'like' button when you need one.

My current manager is the best man-manager I have come across in forty years.

Last of a dieing breed .
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 16:47
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If the USA doesn't open up soon, I have to agree with you.

Also, considering the relative size of the different componants of IAG. BA's fleet is about half of the total group. Rough guess based on that is that BA's value would be about 50p/share based on the current group value. I don't remember BA shares dropping that low before, even after 9-11.
Sad times.

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Old 14th Oct 2020, 18:54
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It is difficult to see a future for the airline with so little revenue around. However the U.K. will need an airline to fly itís flag after Brexit
So several possibilities I would suggest. Firstly the US could open up with sensible policies after the defeat of Trump
Secondly IAG will implode with Air Lingus & BA going one way & Iberia and Vueling the other. Hence the appointment of the new Irish Chief Executive
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 19:36
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Did I not read recently that Branson was raising some 400million ( Dollars or pounds I can’t recall ) - I wonder what for
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 21:35
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One has to try and be realistic here, the USA is not going to open up anytime soon. This virus has not run its course and the likelihood of a vaccine soon is again unrealistic. At the very best we may get near a vaccine sometime next year.
It looks like there are much more serious cuts on the horizon for all.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 12:01
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Doyle is due to make a keynote speech at next week's Airlines 2050 event, being streamed live for free on Monday morning.

He's due on at 10:10 BST, followed by Grant Shapps.

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Old 15th Oct 2020, 17:39
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Airline people are disproportionately individuals in love with flying.
Gordon Bethune proved that even a totally dispirited and near bankrupt airline can be revived astonishingly quickly by an experienced and dedicated manager who shares that mindset.
Yet Airline Boards have steadfastly avoided learning from his example.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 21:35
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IAG will disintegrate of course because they'll be bankrupt. The governments in all cases except maybe Vueling and Level will pick up the pieces. Maybe Vueling can survive in it's own right. I'd be interested to know if the survival of Vueling was likely?
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 21:59
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Do you mean " is likely " ? If so, who the hell knows .
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 10:39
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Interesting he is no longer CEO as BA is fined a record £20 million for data breach. It was on your watch Mr Cruz who no doubt will eventually leave with a large bonus while other staff are made redundant.


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Old 16th Oct 2020, 10:48
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A record time that's 8 times smaller than originally proposed. Could argue he's done well there.
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Old 16th Oct 2020, 11:43
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280 redundant pilots at 50k each is only £14 million!?
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Old 17th Oct 2020, 03:32
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Yep - you have the worlds most successful companies basically only being interested in hiring workoholics - or turning people into them. Alibaba ‘996’ culture (you must work from 9 to 9, 6 days a week, or you are a slacker). Amazon, Apple the same.
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