PIA A320 Crash Karachi
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In Airbus there are a lot of warnings that tell you gear is not down. Did the crew activate approach? Did the landing memo appear? If it did did they look at it? Ldg Gear DN if it is green then the gear is down and locked. Did the SD display wheel page? If it did then at least one LGCIU did it show green? Now that the CVR is found it will reveal their activity from TOD to all the way down.
You're not wrong there !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9pN591cF1Y
A relative of mine worked for BEA in those days as ground staff and said "Good morning" to a Captain as he walked past him in the corridor. Response was "People like you don't talk to people like me."
Unbelievable these days, but 40-50 years ago things were different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9pN591cF1Y
A relative of mine worked for BEA in those days as ground staff and said "Good morning" to a Captain as he walked past him in the corridor. Response was "People like you don't talk to people like me."
Unbelievable these days, but 40-50 years ago things were different.
That 5th point that comes up between the legs if adjusted correctly, will keep that harness buckle at the pelvis, helping to prevent a broken back. May do damage to the men but at least the chances of walking again are enhanced in the event of a survivable accident.
A bit of interesting but useless information for some, maybe useful to others.
In Airbus there are a lot of warnings that tell you gear is not down. Did the crew activate approach? Did the landing memo appear? If it did did they look at it? Ldg Gear DN if it is green then the gear is down and locked. Did the SD display wheel page? If it did then at least one LGCIU did it show green? Now that the CVR is found it will reveal their activity from TOD to all the way down.
I fear your optimism in CVR data capture may be a little ambitious...
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I think we know what happened but not why. The rushed descent was because they missed TOD. Why they missed TOD will likely be on the CVR. Hopefully it wasn't an FMS keying error but you never know. We could all speculate about cockpit arguments, visits to the cockpit by a VIP, or both crew sleeping. But once TOD was missed the descent, briefed or not, was rushed. This led to a highly unstabilized approach and whilst the PF was concentrating solely on scrubbing speed and height, the crew jointly forgot to lower the gear. Amazingly the PF got the aircraft down onto the tarmac but without gear extended they were doomed. They most probably would have overrun but I bet they would now trade a runaway excursion for what subsequently happened. So very sad.
I'm still flabbergasted that two passengers walked from this one...
Just out of curiosity does anyone know what type of FDR were fitted on this airframe?
Just out of curiosity does anyone know what type of FDR were fitted on this airframe?
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I think we know what happened but not why. The rushed descent was because they missed TOD. Why they missed TOD will likely be on the CVR. Hopefully it wasn't an FMS keying error but you never know. We could all speculate about cockpit arguments, visits to the cockpit by a VIP, or both crew sleeping. But once TOD was missed the descent, briefed or not, was rushed. This led to a highly unstabilized approach and whilst the PF was concentrating solely on scrubbing speed and height, the crew jointly forgot to lower the gear. Amazingly the PF got the aircraft down onto the tarmac but without gear extended they were doomed. They most probably would have overrun but I bet they would now trade a runaway excursion for what subsequently happened. So very sad.
That said, by far the most popular choice on narrow-body jets is the L3 FA2100 series (based on the original Fairchild A100, which many of us will recall).
Why do you ask?
Edit: Should have looked at the BEA tweet photos first.
Appears to be a Honeywell 980 series.
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Here's the CVR from A321 EI-ETJ which crashed in Egypt in 2015:
Incidentally, the photo in an earlier post which apparently showed the FDR from the aircraft
was an L3 unit, so it would appear that the aircraft was fitted with an FDR and CVR from different vendors.
was an L3 unit, so it would appear that the aircraft was fitted with an FDR and CVR from different vendors.
It looks to me similar to this Honeywell AR-120 unit. There are 120 minute and 30 minute variants to comply with the 'new' regulations that changed in some places years ago.
You're not wrong there !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9pN591cF1Y
A relative of mine worked for BEA in those days as ground staff and said "Good morning" to a Captain as he walked past him in the corridor. Response was "People like you don't talk to people like me."
Unbelievable these days, but 40-50 years ago things were different.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9pN591cF1Y
A relative of mine worked for BEA in those days as ground staff and said "Good morning" to a Captain as he walked past him in the corridor. Response was "People like you don't talk to people like me."
Unbelievable these days, but 40-50 years ago things were different.
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‐ 20 ft, or
‐ at 10 ft if autothrust is active and one autopilot is in LAND mode."
Source: A320 FCOM.
Speed is not mentioned so radio altitude only appears to generate the automatic callout. By the way, their speed was due to the fact that they were on a very steep approach path, apparently, and not because they had too much power applied, so whether the callout was generated or not is not a factor i think.
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"The loudspeaker announces RETARD at:
‐ 20 ft, or
‐ at 10 ft if autothrust is active and one autopilot is in LAND mode."
Source: A320 FCOM.
Speed is not mentioned so radio altitude only appears to generate the automatic callout. By the way, their speed was due to the fact that they were on a very steep approach path, apparently, and not because they had too much power applied, so whether the callout was generated or not is not a factor i think.
‐ 20 ft, or
‐ at 10 ft if autothrust is active and one autopilot is in LAND mode."
Source: A320 FCOM.
Speed is not mentioned so radio altitude only appears to generate the automatic callout. By the way, their speed was due to the fact that they were on a very steep approach path, apparently, and not because they had too much power applied, so whether the callout was generated or not is not a factor i think.
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The translation of the Urdu conversation about the runway lighting on departure out of LHE was helpful to me.
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More on the discovery of the CVR from Ary News.
KARACHI: The person who discovered the missing cockpit voice recorder of the ill-fated PK-8303 is a Pakistan Rangers official, sources privy to the development revealed on Thursday.
Various search parties failed to find the important piece of equipment but in the end a Pakistan Rangers official managed to discover the critical component, sources claimed.
The Deputy Superintendent of the Rangers’ (DSR) name has been revealed to be Waseem.
The voice recorder is of great importance to the ongoing air crash inquiry being conducted by foreign investigators to pin down the reason for the national tragedy.
Prime Minister Imran Khan earlier in the day directed to ensure transparent and impartial investigations into Karachi plane crash that killed 97 passengers and crew members.
Presiding over a high-level meeting in Islamabad to review the latest developments in the investigation of the PIA plane crash, PM Imran ordered to make public all reports on fatal plane crashes occurring in the past.
The prime minister was also briefed about facilities provided to the injured and heirs of the victims.
https://arynews.tv/en/missing-cockpi...ecorder-found/
Pakistan Rangers official found missing voice recorder from PK-8303 crash: sources
Salah Uddin On May 28, 2020 Last updated May 28, 2020KARACHI: The person who discovered the missing cockpit voice recorder of the ill-fated PK-8303 is a Pakistan Rangers official, sources privy to the development revealed on Thursday.Various search parties failed to find the important piece of equipment but in the end a Pakistan Rangers official managed to discover the critical component, sources claimed.
The Deputy Superintendent of the Rangers’ (DSR) name has been revealed to be Waseem.
The voice recorder is of great importance to the ongoing air crash inquiry being conducted by foreign investigators to pin down the reason for the national tragedy.
Prime Minister Imran Khan earlier in the day directed to ensure transparent and impartial investigations into Karachi plane crash that killed 97 passengers and crew members.
Presiding over a high-level meeting in Islamabad to review the latest developments in the investigation of the PIA plane crash, PM Imran ordered to make public all reports on fatal plane crashes occurring in the past.
The prime minister was also briefed about facilities provided to the injured and heirs of the victims.
https://arynews.tv/en/missing-cockpi...ecorder-found/