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Old 5th May 2020, 13:56
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Hope all works out well for you guys. Got a few friends gatwick based working for Virgin

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Old 5th May 2020, 15:00
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Easy to understand and yet hard to quite believe. The profession is being rent asunder, and perhaps for each pilot one can count 8 support staff within the airline plus many service folk outside. I wish to express my deep concern for all affected by this awful situation. Let us hope that the airline world bounces back as it did in the year following the 9/11 attacks. I somehow doubt it.
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Old 5th May 2020, 18:27
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What’s the plan? what about MAN/GLA etc... LIFO? or fleet based?

All the best guys and girls.
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Old 5th May 2020, 19:09
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Well the 747-400 fleet of 7 has seemingly been retired with immediate effect....

Bye-bye Boeing 747

Passengers hoping to fly on Virgin Atlantic’s 747s before the expected final boarding call in 2021 are, unfortunately, out of luck. In a statement sent to Simple Flying today, the airline said:
“As Virgin Atlantic aims to establish itself as the sustainability leader, it will fly only wide-body, twin-engine aircraft from London Heathrow and Manchester to the most popular destinations… From today, Virgin Atlantic will no longer use all of its seven 747-400s, with four A330-200 aircraft retiring in early 2022 as planned.”
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Old 6th May 2020, 08:01
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Read the statement more carefully. "No longer use ALL of its 7 747-400's". Which implies some will be used as and when. Likely they will not pay for any more big checks but utilise the fleet of 747's as cheaply as possible until the Big checks are due.
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Old 6th May 2020, 08:50
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Originally Posted by esscee View Post
Read the statement more carefully. "No longer use ALL of its 7 747-400's". Which implies some will be used as and when. Likely they will not pay for any more big checks but utilise the fleet of 747's as cheaply as possible until the Big checks are due.
Read the statement more carefully. How does the above square with the statement below?

it will fly only wide-body, twin-engine aircraft from London Heathrow and Manchester to the most popular destinations…
So some conflict here. I wonder if "No longer use ALL of its 7 747-400's" is where ALL actually means the whole fleet?




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Old 6th May 2020, 09:08
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Originally Posted by A320baby View Post
All the 747s are going.
Yes that was my understanding too. Currently 5 at MAN now.
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Old 6th May 2020, 09:23
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"VS official twitter account responded to a customer this morning saying as of 5th May all 7 747’s will be retired"

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Old 6th May 2020, 11:43
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Originally Posted by esscee View Post
Read the statement more carefully. "No longer use ALL of its 7 747-400's". Which implies some will be used as and when.
Either that, or more likely it was written by someone who doesn't understand the difference between "all" and "any".
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Old 6th May 2020, 11:55
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Apparently there are 426 pilots at risk, that seems a lot probably around 40% of the total amount. I guess this can be mitigated by part-time,VR etc. What's happening to the A330 fleet will they keep going or is it all 350/787 from now on?
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Old 6th May 2020, 12:05
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Maybe a lot of the 747 fleet pilots were more senior and riding it until the end and may have taken part time. That would account for a higher figure per aircraft. Still a great shame to see them go as they were awesome to operate (and fly).
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Old 6th May 2020, 16:46
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Virgin Atlantic Airways problems are just the tip of the iceberg. still no sign of securing a government loan & yesterdays announcement might not have gone far enough. I think most of the senior 74 guys saw the light and moved over to the 78 fleet a couple of years ago however you will always get a few nostalgic guys that wanted to hang on to the end, unfortunately to their detriment as redundancies will be by Fleet/Rank/Matrix - what ever that is!
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Old 6th May 2020, 19:15
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Look if Norwegian can apparently seem to stay alive I think VS will find a way too.
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Old 6th May 2020, 22:07
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Originally Posted by Holer Moler View Post
Virgin Atlantic Airways problems are just the tip of the iceberg. still no sign of securing a government loan & yesterdays announcement might not have gone far enough. I think most of the senior 74 guys saw the light and moved over to the 78 fleet a couple of years ago however you will always get a few nostalgic guys that wanted to hang on to the end, unfortunately to their detriment as redundancies will be by Fleet/Rank/Matrix - what ever that is!
And many who weren’t allowed to change fleet, whilst being reassured their position in the Company was safe!
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Old 7th May 2020, 00:23
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KYT's comments are correct -many senior guys on the 400 were held back from moving onto the 78 or the Bus too maintain a certain level of experience on the fleet- however they were assured that their positions would be safe in the event of another crisis and now they have been double crossed.- I sincerely hope that they have saved documentary evidence of this at the time it was published.

Some of the more senior guys have given the company 25 years + through thick and thin & yet guys who have been in the company less than 4 years will escape the Axe. What ever happens at Virgin Atlantic Airways things will never be the same.

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Old 7th May 2020, 06:35
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Whilst I hope the unions can drastically reduce the number, even the whole 744 fleet can’t be anywhere near 426 strong? So there must be another method of selection as well. Good luck to all.
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Old 7th May 2020, 06:46
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Read the thread, " Fleet/Rank/Matrix"!
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Old 7th May 2020, 09:24
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I thought VS was heavily seniority based and worked on the principal of LIFO?

Quite a few people started in Dec 2019 and Jan this year, is there some hope they won’t face the axe for certain?
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Old 7th May 2020, 11:19
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When times are tough the first item to go is the shiny new car sitting in the garage. Virgin should dump all those expensive new aircraft, they are all leased at around $1m/month, the 747 is a fraction of that. Fuel is cheap. ETOPS maintenance is very expensive.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1399391
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Old 7th May 2020, 11:45
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Originally Posted by James7 View Post
When times are tough the first item to go is the shiny new car sitting in the garage. Virgin should dump all those expensive new aircraft, they are all leased at around $1m/month, the 747 is a fraction of that. Fuel is cheap. ETOPS maintenance is very expensive.
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1399391
Although there would be a cost to get out of those leases.
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