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Old 13th Mar 2020, 09:29
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Air France grounds A380

This was to be expected.
as from April....4 aircrafts....out of the remaining 8....will be grounded.
An additional 2 will join them between June and September ....making a total of 6.
i would be very surprised to see this bird flying again after this, knowing it was on its way out within 2 years anyway.
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Lufthansa has also grounded its 10 A380s...All depends how the aviation/ airline world will look like in 6 months .
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Prepare for runways being used as parking lots.
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Prepare for runways being used as parking lots.
Greta gets her wish !
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Greta gets her wish !
Yea we give up half a hundred spewing engines to be replaced by 200 engines
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Schiphol airport just opened a new parking apron two weeks ago. Perhaps that will serve as a storage area for unused widebodies soon.
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Old 13th Mar 2020, 12:31
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Good times ahead for the scrap and spares businesses...
How much of the 380 parts and components can be effectively used on other types without significant modification? Must be plenty, no?
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Good times ahead for the scrap and spares businesses...
How much of the 380 parts and components can be effectively used on other types without significant modification? Must be plenty, no?
Not much component interchangeability between A380 and other fleets. Mostly Avionics and Electrical unit.
As regards "Good Times" for the spares business, speaking as someone that works in this area, it's not necessarily so. More aircraft parked equals more aircraft for teardown, which means lower Buy price for aircraft. Countering that overall demand for spares reduction equals reduction in Inventory realisable value. It can be a vicious circle. Main losers will be the OEM Component manufacturers, More spares and surplus availability means less "New Sales", Less flying equals less component repairs revenue.
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Klm grounds all 747ís permanently end of march.
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Air France grounds A380
Lufthansa has also grounded its 10 A380s
Klm grounds all 747’s permanently end of march
Please can we get the terminology right? The B737 MAX is grounded (ie declared non-airworthy) by a regulator whereas these aircraft are simply being temporarily withdrawn from service by the operator for business reasons - if Lufthansa wanted to operate one of its A380s tomorrow, there is no technical reason to prevent it.
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whereas these aircraft are simply being temporarily withdrawn from service by the operator for business reasons
Presumably as they aren't flying they are therefore going to remain on the, er, ground ?
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grounded adjective (UNABLE TO MOVE)


used to describe an aircraft that is prevented from flying for some reason, or a ship that cannot move because it has hit solid ground Thesaurus: synonyms and related words
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Originally Posted by Longtimer View Post

grounded adjective (UNABLE TO MOVE)


used to describe an aircraft that is prevented from flying for some reason,
no demand from the public due to coronavirus?
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Originally Posted by Fortissimo View Post
Please can we get the terminology right? The B737 MAX is grounded (ie declared non-airworthy) by a regulator whereas these aircraft are simply being temporarily withdrawn from service by the operator for business reasons - if Lufthansa wanted to operate one of its A380s tomorrow, there is no technical reason to prevent it.
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Yes, temporarily withdrawn from service, but how many of them will ever be restored to service ? Not many - if any - I suspect.
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Originally Posted by Fortissimo View Post
Please can we get the terminology right? The B737 MAX is grounded (ie declared non-airworthy) by a regulator whereas these aircraft are simply being temporarily withdrawn from service by the operator for business reasons - if Lufthansa wanted to operate one of its A380s tomorrow, there is no technical reason to prevent it.
KLM's 747 are permanently withdrawn. Only freighters will be left, which are actually currently in short supply as freight cannot go into the bellies of passenger aircraft if they are not flying.
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Sad really, getting rid of all 4 holers or relegating them to freight only, despite having a surplus of new jets. I do however believe Boeing can make the 747-8 profitable due to an easy conversion to all cargo Ops. In that respect Airbus has little hope.
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KLM has just announced they are reducing flights by 30-40%, firing 1500-2000 staff and reducing working hours for the rest of the ~35000 employees.
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KLM has just announced they are reducing flights by 30-40%, firing 1500-2000 staff and reducing working hours for the rest of the ~35000 employees.
Link to this info please.
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https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/a...oeing-747-400/
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