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Korean Air Cabin Crew comes down with Wuhan Flu/Coronavirus

Old 27th Feb 2020, 00:42
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Unhappy Korean Air Cabin Crew comes down with Wuhan Flu/Coronavirus: Are there others?

Flight Attendent had recently flown LAX Los Angeles, USA and TLV Tel Aviv, Isreal. For some reason it is suspected that CC came down with flu on TLV sector but how can that be determined?? Recent news from 12 hours ago.

LA TImes

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...nd-los-angeles

Reuters

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKCN20J0GK

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Originally Posted by Dog Star
Flight Attendant had recently flown LAX Los Angeles, USA and TLV Tel Aviv, Israel. For some reason it is suspected that CC came down with flu on TLV sector but how can that be determined??
It seems you really already know the answer to that question. It can't be determined. Good educated guesses, maybe, and the fact that they believe there are 30 other cases associated with the church group on that flight no doubt fuels those guesses, but that's not proof.

Since we're all guessing, would we guess that the Korean church group was infected while on the trip to Israel, or that one or more of them was already infected before going to Israel? I guess they could all have been infected after returning and the FA infected somewhere/somewhen else, but that's probably not a smart bet.

The mathematics wizards who model the projected spread of infectious diseases rely heavily upon air travel connections and traffic (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...l-hard-predict). I expect we'll be learning more about KAL's recent flights.
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It seems you really already know the answer to that question. It can't be determined. Good educated guesses, maybe, and the fact that they believe there are 30 other cases associated with the church group on that flight no doubt fuels those guesses, but that's not proof.

Since we're all guessing, would we guess that the Korean church group was infected while on the trip to Israel, or that one or more of them was already infected before going to Israel? I guess they could all have been infected after returning and the FA infected somewhere/somewhen else, but that's probably not a smart bet.

The mathematics wizards who model the projected spread of infectious diseases rely heavily upon air travel connections and traffic (https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...l-hard-predict). I expect we'll be learning more about KAL's recent flights.
As the incubation time for COVID-19 can be as long as 3 weeks but the infectivity starts after 3 days and it is highly contagious (doesn't need many virus to actually infect) good luck with tracing all the potential contacts of a flight attendant. And then their contacts - and then theirs not to mention that COV(D-19 can survive for sometime on surfaces so you will have to track the airframes and their pax as well. And of course all the Korean Air crews who shared crew rooms/briefing rooms will need to be checked and the tracing of their contacts and theirs. It is also a virus that can be present in an infected person but not show in any of the current tests only to reappear later. I think the "mathematics wizards " have an NP problem on their hands with way too many uncertainties and iterations.
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I think the "mathematics wizards " have an NP problem on their hands with way too many uncertainties and iterations.
I think you may misunderstand. Those wizards don't do contact tracing, that's a public health function. The task of the modelers is to try to foresee the likely spread of infectious disease. Follow the link I provided for a bit of insight.
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I think you may misunderstand. Those wizards don't do contact tracing, that's a public health function. The task of the modelers is to try to foresee the likely spread of infectious disease. Follow the link I provided for a bit of insight.
It really doesn't matter what the model is being used for the complexities are huge and assumptions are mostly invalid.
For example:
Models may also become sharper as researchers have a finer understanding of the epidemiology of infected cases, which means details about their location, health, age, and gender. Those data can help modelers make more reliable assumptions about factors like incubation time.
What is the location of a Korean flight attendant?
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Originally Posted by Ian W
It really doesn't matter what the model is being used for the complexities are huge and assumptions are mostly invalid.
Don't tell the clients of the various firms that sell modeling of these outbreaks via subscription for high prices.

https://bluedot.global/
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Grrr

From 12 hours ago:

An Air Lingus crew "self isolate" after a passenger tests positive for coronavirus on MXP-DUB flight. Measures taken to protect the identity and privacy of crew members.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...test-1.4187748
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Originally Posted by Dog Star
From 12 hours ago:

An Air Lingus crew "self isolate" after a passenger tests positive for coronavirus on MXP-DUB flight. Measures taken to protect the identity and privacy of crew members.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/heal...test-1.4187748
Yes, containment is no longer even theoretically possible -- almost anywhere. It probably hasn't been for some weeks. It's time to shift the focus to mitigation. Also pretty much everywhere.
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Rumors about the KE flight attendant on a Korean language social media app are blamed for a dramatic downturn in Los Angeles Korean restaurant business.

The Korean language rumors are viewed as part of a larger pattern of racism and xenophobia against Asians.

From the NBC Channel 4 article below:

Lawmakers and advocates for immigrant communities have warned about xenophobia and discrimination aimed at Asian Americans.

State Assemblyman Kansen Chu, D-San Jose, said Chinese businesses, in particular, were experiencing large economic losses as a result of racism and fear.

One message circulating on the app provided details of the flights the attendant worked on and listed the restaurants that said she purportedly visited with the message: “Please share with everyone to avoid these ktown spots,” using an abbreviation for Koreatown.

“In the Korean-American community here, it went like wildfire,” Alex Won said Friday as he ate a bowl of beef brisket soup at Han Bat Shul Lung Tang. “It's sad.”

Restaurants in LA’s Koreatown Reel Amid Coronavirus Rumor

Fears of the coronavirus combined with the speed and reach of social media can quickly cripple the healthiest of businesses. By Brian Melley
• Published February 28, 2020
• Updated on February 29, 2020 at 8:26 am
In a Koreatown restaurant known for its beef bone broth soup, the lunchtime crowd Friday was half its normal size. The reason was a virulent rumor about a customer with coronavirus.

Han Bat Shul Lung Tang was one of five restaurants that lost business after being named in posts on a Korean messaging app that warned a Korean Air flight attendant with the virus had dined there during a layover in Los Angeles more than a week ago.

“It's fake news,” owner John Kim said, and he had proof. His restaurant was closed at the time because of a water leak, a fact confirmed by the Department of Public Health.
The rumor about the flight attendant was dispelled Friday morning by the Republic of Korea consulate in Los Angeles. In a statement posted in Korean on Facebook, the consulate general said the attendant who visited Los Angeles on Feb. 19-20 had gone to two businesses but neither was in Koreatown. Later in the day, public health officials said the flight attendant was not contagious while in the city.
As new cases of the coronavirus are reported around the world, a doctor explains where the 2019 Novel Coronavirus comes from and what you can do to protect yourself from the outbreak.The rumor and the impact on the restaurants was a prime example of how fears of the virus combined with the speed and reach of social media can quickly cripple the healthiest of businesses and focus suspicion on ethnic communities.

The virus, which began in China, has been spreading worldwide and has taken a big toll lately in South Korea. Lawmakers and advocates for immigrant communities have warned about xenophobia and discrimination aimed at Asian Americans.

State Assemblyman Kansen Chu, D-San Jose, said Chinese businesses, in particular, were experiencing large economic losses as a result of racism and fear.

A group representing Koreatown restaurants said business in general was down about 50% since the rumor spread on the Kakao Talk app on Monday.

One message circulating on the app provided details of the flights the attendant worked on and listed the restaurants that said she purportedly visited with the message: “Please share with everyone to avoid these ktown spots,” using an abbreviation for Koreatown.

“In the Korean-American community here, it went like wildfire,” Alex Won said Friday as he ate a bowl of beef brisket soup at Han Bat Shul Lung Tang. “It's sad.”

Won said he got the message from friends and family members, but never really believed it because it wasn't reported in the news. He stopped at the restaurant at the start of the week and found it closed because of a water leak. He was happy to return for a late lunch Friday and was surprised to find he was the only diner.

“I've never seen it this empty,” he said. “There's always people here.”

Coronavirus Could Effect Availability of Everyday Items

There has been a 25% decline in cargo vessels this month due to the coronavirus. Lolita Lopez reports for the NBC4 News at 5 p.m. on Thursday, Feb. 27, 2020.Owners of other restaurants named in the post said business died almost instantly.

At Honey Pig, a Korean barbecue restaurant with 25 tables, only six parties were seated during one bad day of business this week, owner Chin Kim said.

Customers had been calling to inquire if the rumors were true, and some asked more outlandish questions, Kim said. One woman who had dined at the restaurant recently called to ask if it was safe to attend her daughter's upcoming wedding, Kim said.

Owners were frustrated they couldn't get more information from public health officials. Korean news media reported Thursday that South Korea's Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed a female flight attendant who tested positive for the virus had traveled to Los Angeles.

The Los Angeles County Department of Public Health said it was aware of reports about the flight attendant but had no confirmation from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention until late Friday. That's when it said she did not develop symptoms of the illness known as COVID-19 until after leaving LA, so she posed no risk while in the city.

With a rumor they couldn't confirm or deny, some restaurants took no chances. Video circulated on social media of a worker in a hazmat-type suit spraying down the floors at Hangari Kalguksu, a noodle soup house.

The sign outside Hanshin Pocha, a bar offering traditional Korean snack fare, boasts “never been closed since 1998." Nevertheless, the establishment shuttered Tuesday to sanitize the restaurant. Bottles of hand sanitizer were lined up on a counter next to bottled water.

“It’s a bad rumor, but people like bad rumors,” said Jay Choi, manager of Hanshin Pocha.

Choi and others talked about the need to find and punish the person who started the rumor. He said he was looking into hiring a lawyer to take legal action.

On the streets of Koreatown, some pedestrians wore surgical masks. But they were not the norm.

Zhang Bin, a college student from China, and his roommate have worn the masks for protection since the virus broke out.

“I think even if the stewardess didn't come to the restaurants, we still need to protect from the virus,” he said. “The speed and the spread of the disease is so fast.”
What's spreading faster than coronavirus in the US? Racist assaults and ignorant attacks against Asians
By Holly Yan Natasha Chen and Dushyant Naresh, CNN

Updated 6:02 PM ET, Fri February 21, 2020
(CNN)In New York City, a man assaults a woman wearing a face mask, calling her a "diseased b****."

On a Los Angeles subway, a man proclaims Chinese people are filthy and says "every disease has ever came from China."

Rampant ignorance and misinformation about the novel coronavirus , experts say, has led to racist and xenophobic attacks against fellow Americans or anyone in the US who looks East Asian.

"With news of the coronavirus, we've seen an uptick in fear of people who look like this," said Rosalind Chou, a sociology professor at Georgia State University. "Real people are affected."
And the pain ranges from physical to verbal to financial.

"We, the Asian community, are under attack," said Tanny Jiraprapasuke, who was born and raised in Los Angeles.

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