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Nordwind severe hard landing Antalya

Old 10th Jan 2020, 16:09
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Nordwind severe hard landing Antalya

https://aviation-safety.net/database...?id=20200110-0

https://t.co/Apdenv843i

Looks like a write-off ... airframe 2.5 years old.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 16:23
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Not sure if it will be a write-off.
Similar damage (if not more serious) was done to a 757 at Funchal and was repaired. The aircraft went back into service about 6 weeks later, I think.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 16:25
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Well, if a repair is feasible, here is the blueprint:

Damage:
Berlin: Lichtmast fšllt auf Condor Jet - European-Aviation.net
Repair:
Condor Airbus A321-200SL D-AIAF ? Berlin-Spotter.de
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Rumor is that the crew decleared emergency due to smoke.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 20:20
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Originally Posted by PapaEchoIndia View Post
Rumor is that the crew decleared emergency due to smoke.
Also written in first link above.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 20:40
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Originally Posted by gearlever View Post
Also written in first link above.
Thanks for the reminder, didnít check the links in fact

Kudos to the crew, windshear, hard landing, dual hyd failure, smoke and everyone on board is safe
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 20:48
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A go around after smashing the nose wheel in on a long runway. Maybe it just bounced back into the air but interesting decision.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 21:05
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Had they already decided to do a go around then they were slammed onto the runway?
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 21:19
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The report is brief, and RnR might be correct although in the CP’s report. “ He attributed the hard landing to 'windshear' over the threshold.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 21:28
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I read somewhere else that there were no pax on board, but that may be incorrect.
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 21:32
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Originally Posted by Avman View Post
I read somewhere else that there were no pax on board, but that may be incorrect.
"Russia's Embassy in Antalya reported there were no passengers on board of the aircraft, only crew according to the local office of Nordwind Airlines."

Accident: Nordwind A321 at Antalya on Jan 10th 2020, hard landing
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Old 10th Jan 2020, 21:34
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Regardless of the cause for the heavy landing, it looks like they earned their keep after the GA - smoke, dual hyd failure, no attitude indication etc.
Interesting decision making doing a low pass with smoke though, I think Iíd just want to get it on the ground.

At least everyone walked (or hobbled) away.
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 10:06
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Airbus fixed a few 4g and above landings at one Asian loco many years ago, engineering capabilities have only improved so should not be an issue, depends on the insurance policy I guess, and what the lawyers say.

How many bounces? They were empty. Floated then dropped heavily. Bounced then landed it on the nosegear. Then go around. Iíve seen this before, however required both nose and main gear replacement.

I had a newer FO land a ferry a few weeks back A321. I briefed him ie caution- float. Did not listen and landing was firm after letting it float.
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 10:36
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Be interesting to see if manual thrust was being used. Ferry flights are often used as an opportunity to practice hand flying. Maybe they were just unlucky, Antalya is one of those places which is normally easy but in winter can occasionally be a handful with (for northern europeans) unseasonal heavy CBs for example.
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 11:33
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If the aircraft were being landed unusually light (no pax, low fuel) it may have surprised the pilot flying by floating, and tempting the pilot to try to force it on.
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 11:59
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It looks similar to the wheelbarrow landing of a Monarch B757 G-MONC in Gibraltar a few years ago.
They thought at the time that would be a write off, but I believe after some £4M spent, it was in service again?G-MONC
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 15:47
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NbY The Monarch Aircraft touched down gently on its main gear. It was the de-rotation that bent it. The AAIB report is available on line.
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Old 11th Jan 2020, 17:19
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Aren't 757's a special case? (e.g. Monarch/Gib, Delta/Funchal).

A valuable combination of range and capacity for some route structures, that cannot be replaced (yet) - regardless of the size of an insurance write-off cheque?
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Old 12th Jan 2020, 03:23
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I wonder if this is the result of landing with too much thrust. It seems to be quite prevalent, and I wonder if this is a poor habit carried over from flying turbo props.

Some pilots seem to forget that in a jet, idle is still producing a significant amount of thrust. In my jet, enough to overcome rolling friction almost at max TO weight. And that is ground idle, never mind the higher approach idle spool speed.

Some tell-tale signs a pilot is landing with excessive thrust are autospoilers not deploying and landing flat or on the nose wheel. If the thrust levers are too far forward then systems for stopping are past the threshold for deployment.

Also, any excess airspeed carried for wind should be bled off before touchdown to prevent a situation where you are forcing the plane to stop flying too early.

Would be interesting to see a video of the landing. I would not be surprised to see a porpoise situation from forcing the jet on too early which developed into a massive bounce with the ensuing GA.

Being an empty repo, maybe there was even crew on the jump seat videoing the event.
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Old 12th Jan 2020, 13:32
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Mismanagement of thrust may well have played a role but as others have pointed out the different flying characteristics when a big aircraft like the 321 is empty probably also contributed. I found the aircraft pleasant to land, but was always conscious of the potential for tail strike. Perhaps because people tend to be more aware of this risk I have heard that there are actually a lower number of tail strikes on the 321 than on the shorter 320. Nonetheless the concern might well have led the pilot flying to limit his elevator input. Anyway we will find out in due course.
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