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79 year old FA fired by Delta

Old 7th Dec 2019, 18:06
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Originally Posted by OldnGrounded
We don't know and can't know. And I hope some of you are slower to leap to conclusions if you're called for jury duty.
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Correct. I wasn't rendering a verdict (or didn't mean to) and was rightly corrected by AviatorDave. I did want to explain her alleged income by supplying a few facts with which I'm quite familiar.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 18:10
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I assume you are aware that Delta's flight attendants are non-union?
I though they are getting unionised as we speak? But without union there is even less justification to pay those kind of salaries to super senior CC
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Originally Posted by CargoOne
I though they are getting unionised as we speak?
There is apparently another attempt at getting the F/As unionized...results unknown at this point. Previous attempts have failed. And they DO NOT pay F/As of any seniority $250K/year.

I wish they did...somebody has to support me !!
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
OnG,

Correct. I wasn't rendering a verdict (or didn't mean to) and was rightly corrected by AviatorDave. I did want to explain her alleged income by supplying a few facts with which I'm quite familiar.
Got it. I didn't think you were guilty of finding her guilty without trial.
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
There is apparently another attempt at getting the F/As unionized...results unknown at this point. Previous attempts have failed. And they DO NOT pay F/As of any seniority $250K/year.

I wish they did...somebody has to support me !!
From last month:

The head of the largest flight-attendant union in the US explains why Delta's cabin crews might finally vote to unionize

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Old 7th Dec 2019, 18:48
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Sara Nelson may have a valid case for success this time based on a change of F/A demographics. We'll see...
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This may have happend in the past but unionization of the Delta in-flight staff has been attempted several times prior without success. This particular termination event will not do anything to effect he outcome of this vote, either way IMO.

There is something about human nature that compels staff to remove things from an aircraft. Half empty wine bottles, miniatures, food etc. have been subject to pilfering in years past, but now that is strictly prohibited. Those that choose to do otherwise often face termination. This is not complicated, so if you choose otherwise you probably won't like the outcome. Age is not a factor other than the fact you probably had gotten away with it for many years before being caught. As for 250K per year, not only unlikely, but impossible even with Delta's profit sharing program. More lawyer BSing.The good news is that she will likely get a full lump sum payout on here retirement after being terminated.

FWIW, I think Deta had a male flight attendant retire in the last couple of years who was age 91. Like this current woman, he was a former NWA employee, After all those years you would think they could write a damn good book desiring their experiences.
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 19:34
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So I am sort of curious what happens to those half empty wine bottles and half consumed cartons of milk normally...

"No thanks, I brought my own lunch..."
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 19:41
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Originally Posted by Water pilot
So I am sort of curious what happens to those half empty wine bottles and half consumed cartons of milk normally...

"No thanks, I brought my own lunch..."
Rules are rules, they should not be an individuals choice to abandon them unless they are willing to accept the consequences. Even dumpster diving comes under a rule somewhere
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Old 7th Dec 2019, 19:42
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Originally Posted by Water pilot
So I am sort of curious what happens to those half empty wine bottles and half consumed cartons of milk normally...

"No thanks, I brought my own lunch..."

They throw it away once opened. I use to work a a corporate flying job and for awhile, they collected all the left over catering and gave it to a homeless shelter. This was right there in your home state.
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 08:47
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If you tell this story a - non airline - European, he/she would shake his/her head in disbelief. I know, Americans have a completely different view on this subject. Lets face it - the old lady takes jobs away from younger people, who might never have the opportunity to reach a senior position. Or work on a financially attractive tour, because a senior has claimed it for herself. I think there is a lot of greed and selfishness in the game. If she loves flying so much, why didnīt she retire at, lets say, 65, and take advantage of her travel privileges, of which there will be many. I have always loved my job, but knew when to finish. I am 75 now and retired relatively early. Exept for my airside pass, I
lost nothing. The old lady has gone a step too far, may be lost her sense for reality.
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Gosh, this case stinks. Of course she was targeted but was easy prey once on the radar. Read somewhere on previous posts that it was the Company's stated policy that the removal of "anything" was prohibited. "Anything" is the gotcha in an easy observation. If the company was motivated to cut out petty theft , a simple reminder to all staff that, for example , "It has been noted"...........you know how it goes.........and that a full crack-down on even the most petty of all cases involving the removal of company property would be severely dealt with , should have been the amber card that all employees would have noted. Just stop it.

Blimey, in my career, I have been guilty by these standards of serial theft , even cereal theft when I whipped off the cornflakes mini packet for later consumption ! In the glory days, in the crew bus going off to some exotic hotel, the cry would be "Who's got the brown-cow ? ". A marvelous mix made up from stolen minitures and milk, consumed, in uniform and downed in stolen plastic cups. But that was, here we go again, in the glory days.

Again, by these trumped up charges standards, I am aware of very serious theft of company property and down route hotel property .We all are and we all did it . It would have been very easy to be dobbed in it or dob someone else in it if a set-up was involved or someone just decided, for other reasons, to adopt an eagle eye.

Just in case some of you rotters are still trying to get me, I have just hidden away my prized theft items, top of which was a fabbo toweled after-shower bath robe, heavily inscribed in beautiful gold (I think real) stitching with the Hotel's Logo and name .

This loyal employees case stinks to high heaven and will reveal much more than a couple of cartons of milk . Guilty, yes. "Gotcha", but the sentence (?) appalling.
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 13:40
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You never know the full story in these cases but it certainly sounds like she was mightily unpopular with the other FAs since so many reported her for doing everything from theft, to drinking on duty, to being physically unable to arm and disarm doors (I suspect they really mean secure the door following boarding - since that is the “physical” part).

I know this isn’t a popular position to take, but flight crew need to be physically fit to a minimally acceptable degree for safety reasons, and I have seen several 70 plus FAs who clearly had difficulty pushing the drinks cart down the aisle. We need to be sensible about this.
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Old 8th Dec 2019, 14:21
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Good points, Fonsini. If I, although in reasonable health, would try to get a simple travel insurance, it would be denied for age reasons ( 75 ). The risk is too high, they say. Luckily I have a travel insurance through my premium automobile club membership, which can not be taken away. Ironically I do not even have a car any more,
I only keep my membership for the insurance. Not cheap, but could be of value in case something happens abroad. In addition I have my regular lab tests made before a trip, this only in case they started arguing, and try to deny payment. There is more small print, than a person can read. I can imagine, the premium, pilots have to pay when over a certain age, rises enormously. This must apply to FAs too, they are no higher beings...
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Originally Posted by BEA 71
If you tell this story a - non airline - European, he/she would shake his/her head in disbelief. I know, Americans have a completely different view on this subject. Lets face it - the old lady takes jobs away from younger people, who might never have the opportunity to reach a senior position. Or work on a financially attractive tour, because a senior has claimed it for herself. I think there is a lot of greed and selfishness in the game. If she loves flying so much, why didnīt she retire at, lets say, 65, and take advantage of her travel privileges, of which there will be many. I have always loved my job, but knew when to finish. I am 75 now and retired relatively early. Exept for my airside pass, I
lost nothing. The old lady has gone a step too far, may be lost her sense for reality.
Probably most people in the US over 65 would love the option of retiring. Unless you have a pension or stock, retiring in Europe is a rather more pleasant occupation than retiring in the United States. It is not a matter of selfishness, it is a matter of being able to eat and afford healthcare (Medicare is not all that it is cracked up to be.) It is rather shocking to see very old people working as "greeters" at our big box stores, sometimes in their wheelchairs or scooters. (It is thought to deter shoplifting.) If they are more mobile, they are stacking boxes. Really, it is a charming country.
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Having been to the U.S. many, many times, I am certainly aware of the problems, and I fully agree to what you say. But here we are talking about a 79 year old woman, who obviously has a reasonable income. It is not all gloomy over here - it was years ago - my present income is roughly $ 230.000 less than what the lady has. There used to be a time when pension and medical care were the last things you needed to worry about. Thank God we negotiated a good pension scheme with our employer,
without the company pension I would have to line in with the poor souls you mention.
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Landflap wrote,
Just in case some of you rotters are still trying to get me, I have just hidden away my prized theft items, top of which was a fabbo toweled after-shower bath robe, heavily inscribed in beautiful gold (I think real) stitching with the Hotel's Logo and name .
Helmsley Palace in New York? I had layovers there...

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Flight attendants are on board mainly to guarantee the safety of passengers, and as a pax I wonder how efficient a 79 yo would be in guaranteeing and helping in my safety in case of an emergency.
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Originally Posted by Landflap
Just in case some of you rotters are still trying to get me, I have just hidden away my prized theft items, top of which was a fabbo toweled after-shower bath robe, heavily inscribed in beautiful gold (I think real) stitching with the Hotel's Logo and name .
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Helmsly Palace in New York? I had layovers there...
Maybe that was the place Yogi Berra was talking about when he said :

The towels were so thick there I could hardly close my suitcase.
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There is something not being told in this story of an almost octogenarian flight attendant on 250K /annum, the holder of company awards and letters of endorsement from customers, embroiled in a battle with her employer over minor theft and drinking. For the sake of click bait, the real truth is not being told, so I'm putting any judgments on hold until the truth emerges. But to those who wish her removed from flight duties because she is 'too old' be aware that another poster above has offered the revelation of Flight Attendant who was 91 years old!! Interestingly, back in the day when I flew TWA on a few positioning flights, I don't remember seeing any cabin crew who could be considered anything but old, especially the Chief Purser. I have no idea of their ages but some of the senior ones I guess were in their 70's and the juniors in economy in their 40's through 60's. This was compared to my national airline where the cabin crew throughout the aircraft were positively youthful by comparison.

Now I am all for older people working because God knows that there is no other way to survive if life hasn't been kind to you. I am reasonably confident that she could pass all the physical and mental requirements of the job and conduct her flight duties in the expected manner otherwise she wouldn't still be there, wouldn't be getting company awards and wouldn't be getting good job letters from her customers. Interestingly, Health and Safety has said you cant lift any more than X and are not allowed to lift passengers bag's into the bins in some airlines. I have no idea what Delta's policies are but it is quite likely that H&S avoids heavy lifting being part of her job description. So the only real risk for carrying a 79 year old is that she has a medical event en route that requires a diversion or that she dies on duty. Compared to those Captains who have medical events or collapsed dead on approach, the risk to the carrier and to safety on board seems incredibly less. I see no reason why she would be unable to administer O2, wield a fire extinguisher, guide passengers to evacuation exits or deploy life-rafts (passengers may be generally be asked to assist with this anyway since they are not one man or women deployable). Pushing a full drinks trolley up front on climb out may be testing but I suspect her senior position prevents her from having to play that game too often. The same applies to opening cabin doors which can be heavy and awkward to maneuver and especially when armed for an emergency evacuation. However, years of opening these doors means she has the technique down pat and clearly she passed the emergency drills on her annual training. ( The first time I opened a B727 door as a young man, it nearly threw me out of the aircraft with it! I was instructed how to get your stance right and understand the action, then you can get the door inertia to to all the hard work...while remaining in the aircraft). So, all I can say is that some people don't like seeing old people serve them a snack, would prefer a 'trolley dolly' and are just generally ageist. Can't do much about that I guess. If Delta doesn't want old employees, then the airline could certainly treat it's long serving employees better by offering severance packages to older staff that incentivise them to leave the workforce while offering the employee some forward security and adjustment time.

In any case, it seems some Delta Flight attendants do have a drinking problem. Looks like this one gets off lightly while the 79 year old gets hammered ..so to speak.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/trave...er-drink-limit

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