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You bet !!! Second phase of the Hajj is extremely wild ...
There is no telling how much the aircraft weighs. The Pax bring water (zamzam water), sand, rocks, etc, etc.
Had a departure from Jeddah on a B763 with 300 Pax + Fuel to make it all the way to Mauritania. Saw the 76 climbing at 400 feet per min. Had never seen that before ... and it was not because it was very hot. This was in December, at the end of the day, at sunset.
Good thing that aircrafts are build with some good safety margins ...
There is no telling how much the aircraft weighs. The Pax bring water (zamzam water), sand, rocks, etc, etc.
Had a departure from Jeddah on a B763 with 300 Pax + Fuel to make it all the way to Mauritania. Saw the 76 climbing at 400 feet per min. Had never seen that before ... and it was not because it was very hot. This was in December, at the end of the day, at sunset.
Good thing that aircrafts are build with some good safety margins ...
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In the old days we took the zamzam water off the pax in Jeddah, empty them, then the bottles were refilled at KUL on arrival
I remember stories of the very first Hadj flights from Mauritania to Jeddah by Spantax, (early 70's) where on the inbound flights people were starting fires in the galley to brew tea and on the return leg they got a few 100ft max rate climb after level off due vast amount of zamzam water ad holy sand carried as in hand luggage . I thought that by now the lessons were learnt and that hand baggage is now weighted there . is it not the case ? .
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I've been around these Hajj flights and to be honest the loading and weights were all over the place. I've seen DC-10s/MD-11s (World Airways) with zamzam water just chucked into the holds (no pallets of containers), bags on pallets without nets. (Saudia) just a tarpaulin to keep things in place. Headcounts were also innaccurate, not surprising when getting the pax to board was like herding cats.
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I was told at Wardair that airframes about to undergo a D check were sent on Hajj – and new interiors post D check.
The consensus among the conflicting reports in the Nigerian press appears to confirm that an engine contacted the runway on landing, shedding parts and damaging the runway surface.
Whether there was a runway excursion and/or evacuation is somewhat less clear.
Whether there was a runway excursion and/or evacuation is somewhat less clear.
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You are not going to make friends in Malaysia !
I remember stories of the very first Hadj flights from Mauritania to Jeddah by Spantax, (early 70's) where on the inbound flights people were starting fires in the galley to brew tea and on the return leg they got a few 100ft max rate climb after level off due vast amount of zamzam water ad holy sand carried as in hand luggage . I thought that by now the lessons were learnt and that hand baggage is now weighted there . is it not the case ? .
I remember stories of the very first Hadj flights from Mauritania to Jeddah by Spantax, (early 70's) where on the inbound flights people were starting fires in the galley to brew tea and on the return leg they got a few 100ft max rate climb after level off due vast amount of zamzam water ad holy sand carried as in hand luggage . I thought that by now the lessons were learnt and that hand baggage is now weighted there . is it not the case ? .
This was 1983 so a few's ago. I think average weights were used. As Svhar stated I learnt so much as a twenty something.
Max Ward (another Max !) always took considerable pride in the presentation of his aircraft, inside and out. I'm surprised he even considered doing the Hadj. Were the charter rates really that lucrative ?
Likely the airframe(s) went straight from Hajj to D check and interior replacement, likely at Shannon.
To/from Canada Max offered the odd special to/from Shannon D checks.
To/from Canada Max offered the odd special to/from Shannon D checks.
I used to think Wardair had their heavy work done by Eastern in Miami.
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Straight from the link:
“Using their wealth of experience and knowledge of the terrain and environment to a safe landing and stop on the runway during which, one of the engines slightly brushed the runway due to complex landing maneuvers occasioned by the strong downdraft, aircraft did not crash nor skid off the runway,” said Capt. Ibrahim Dilli, Director of Max Air Flight Operations
